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10/01/2009 09:30 AM House TRANSPORTATION


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09:41:46 AM Start
09:44:31 AM Overview: Alaska Transportation Needs and Challenges - Dot&pf
04:47:21 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
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+ Alaska Transportation Needs & Challenges: TELECONFERENCED
Aviation, Ports & Harbors, Ferries,
Surface Transportation
STIP/LRTP
Working Lunch 12:30-1:30 pm
Federal Funding Issues & Projections-NCSL
State Infrastructure Bank & Other Funding
Mechanisms
Potential Funding Options for
Transportation
Round Table Discussions
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
            HOUSE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                           
                        October 1, 2009                                                                                         
                           9:41 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Peggy Wilson, Chair                                                                                              
Representative Kyle Johansen                                                                                                    
Representative Cathy Engstrom Munoz                                                                                             
Representative Mike Doogan                                                                                                      
Representative Max Gruenberg                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Craig Johnson, Vice Chair                                                                                        
Representative John Harris                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Linda Menard                                                                                                            
Representative Mike Kelly                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALASKA TRANSPORTATION NEEDS AND CHALLENGES - DOT/PF                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No Previous Action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
LEO VON SCHEBEN, Commissioner                                                                                                   
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities (DOT&PF)                                                                       
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified and answered questions during the                                                              
Overview of Alaska Transportation Needs and Challenges.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHRISTINE KLEIN, Deputy Commissioner                                                                                            
Aviation                                                                                                                        
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities (DOT&PF)                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented the Aviation portion of the                                                                    
Overview of Alaska Transportation Needs and Challenges.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ROGER MAAGARD, Rural System Airport Development Manager                                                                         
Statewide Aviation                                                                                                              
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities (DOT&PF)                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented and answered questions on the                                                                  
rural airports.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
JIM BEEDLE, Deputy Commissioner of Marine Operations                                                                            
Marine Highway System (AMHS)                                                                                                    
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities (DOT&PF)                                                                       
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified and answered questions during the                                                              
overview of Alaska Transportation Needs and Challenges.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
FRANK RICHARDS, Deputy Commissioner                                                                                             
Highways and Public Facilities                                                                                                  
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities (DOT&PF)                                                                       
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified and answered questions during the                                                              
Overview of Alaska Transportation Needs and Challenges.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
JEFF OTTESEN, Director                                                                                                          
Division of Program Development                                                                                                 
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities (DOT&PF)                                                                       
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions during the update of the                                                              
Alaska Transportation Needs.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE KELLY                                                                                                       
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Asked questions during the DOT&PF update.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
KATHIE WASSERMAN, Executive Director                                                                                            
Alaska Municipal League (AML)                                                                                                   
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified and answered questions on                                                                      
Alaska's transportation needs.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
JIM REED, Transportation Program Director                                                                                       
National Council of State Legislatures (NCSL)                                                                                   
Denver, Colorado                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented and answered questions during the                                                              
Overview of Alaska transportation Needs and Challenges.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
LARRY PERSILY, Staff                                                                                                            
Representative Mike Hawker                                                                                                      
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified and  answered questions on funding                                                             
options for a long-range transportation initiative.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PETER MILLS                                                                                                                     
Dye Management, Inc.                                                                                                            
Victoria, British Columbia                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided a  PowerPoint presentation on State                                                             
Infrastructure Banks and Other borrowing instruments.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:41:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  PEGGY  WILSON  called the  House  Transportation  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting to order at  9:41 a.m.  Representatives Wilson,                                                               
Johansen, Munoz, Gruenberg,  and Doogan were present  at the call                                                               
to  order.   Also in  attendance were  Representative Mike  Kelly                                                               
(via teleconference) and Senator Linda Menard.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:44:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease form 9:44 a.m. to 9:49 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:49:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^Overview:  Alaska Transportation Needs and Challenges - DOT&PF                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
9:50:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON announced  the only  order of  business will  be an                                                               
Overview of Alaska Transportation  Needs and Challenges - DOT&PF.                                                               
She  remarked on  the committee  work the  past two  days as  the                                                               
committee traveled to review rural  and urban airports and roads.                                                               
On   Tuesday   the   committee  flew   to   Bethel   to   discuss                                                               
transportation  issues,  toured  three  airports,  and  the  road                                                               
system.   Yesterday,  the committee  toured Anchorage  by bus  to                                                               
consider  urban  issues.    The  committee  traveled  the  Seward                                                               
Highway and discussed the Highway Safety Corridors.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:53:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LEO  VON SCHEBEN,  Commissioner, Department  of Transportation  &                                                               
Public Facilities  (DOT&PF), explained  that the DOT&PF  has been                                                               
extremely busy  since the passage  of the  American  Recovery and                                                               
Reinvestment Act of  2009 (ARRA).  The ARRA  increased the DOT&PF                                                               
funds by  about 20  percent.   The DOT&PF  received approximately                                                               
$170 million in  ARRA funds, was required to  obligate 50 percent                                                               
by  midsummer, and  has  more  than met  that  requirement.   The                                                               
DOT&PF has  19 ARRA  projects in  full swing this  year.   Of the                                                               
states that  receive ARRA funds,  Alaska is ranked 13th  in terms                                                               
of spending  its share and  38th nationally for  meeting spending                                                               
obligations.     The   Federal   Highway  Administration   (FHWA)                                                               
currently  has   the  federal  aid   agreement  in   hand,  which                                                               
essentially tells  the FHWA that  the state intends to  spend all                                                               
of the 2009 funds.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. VON  SCHEBEN offered to  briefly touch on the  state's needs.                                                               
First, he  explained Alaska's needs  dictate about $8  billion of                                                               
required  transportation  infrastructure.   The  state's  current                                                               
deferred  maintenance  needs  exceed   $430  million,  which  are                                                               
divided  between  aviation,  highways, facilities  and  statewide                                                               
harbor maintenance, and the Alaska  Marine Highway System (AMHS).                                                               
Our   challenges   are   preserving   and   protecting   Alaska's                                                               
infrastructure.     Once  certainty  is   that  FHWA   funds  are                                                               
decreasing and Alaska will receive  less in federal funding.  The                                                               
annual trend  has been for  inflation to outpace  maintenance and                                                               
operations,  which has  happened  for  more than  20  years.   He                                                               
pointed out that  Alaska is not eligible for about  20 percent of                                                               
the new funds from the  Surface Transportation Authorization bill                                                               
since funding will  be tied to population and Alaska  has a small                                                               
population.   Alaska's overall funding  for highways  will remain                                                               
flat or may be  less than flat.  The federal  funding bill in the                                                               
reauthorization  mode  lends  itself   to  transit,  trains,  and                                                               
trails, or the  3 T's.  This bill will  not address new highways,                                                               
congestion,  or similar  funding needs.   The  AMHS continues  to                                                               
perform well and  he is pleased that while the  AMHS has an aging                                                               
fleet, the  AMHS is working  to replace  vessels.  The  DOT&PF is                                                               
currently  working on  Alaska Quest  Ferry.   Three of  the motor                                                               
vessels  (M/V), the  M/V  Taku,  the M/V  Malaspina  and the  M/V                                                               
Matanuska are  over 46  years old,  and the  M/V Tustumena  is 45                                                               
years old,  and the DOT&PF views  ferry replacement at 50  -55 of                                                               
age, with  5 - 6 years  required to build the  vessels; therefore                                                               
it is a good time to begin the planning phase.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
COMMISISONER VON SCHEBEN turned to  a brief overview of aviation.                                                               
One of the  department's highest priorities is the  need for more                                                               
than  $54  million  in  deferred   maintenance  for  the  state's                                                               
airports.   These  airports  remain  the state's  responsibility;                                                               
under the  federal Gramm assurances  airports must  be maintained                                                               
or  the state  risks  affecting potential  capital  grants.   One                                                               
troubling challenge  has been workforce retention;  the workforce                                                               
is "graying."   One-third  of his employees  will be  eligible to                                                               
retire in the  next five years.  Hiring is  still difficult, even                                                               
in face of the troubled economy.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:01:12 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMISISONER  VON SCHEBEN  acknowledged  his great  staff at  the                                                               
DOT&PF.    Without them  the  department  would  not be  able  to                                                               
perform  well.     He  mentioned  numerous   projects  statewide,                                                               
including the  airport at Unalakleet  near Nome, and  the highway                                                               
interchange  at North  Pole.   He concluded  by stating  that his                                                               
staff will update the committee.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:05:50 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  asked  about  the  impact  of  defined                                                               
contribution plan on early retirements  with respect to workforce                                                               
retention.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  VON SCHEBEN  said he  did not  believe that  is the                                                               
problem so  much as  the state salaries  cannot compete  with the                                                               
salary schedule of the federal  government or the private sector.                                                               
He  recalled at  one time  the state  salaries were  much greater                                                               
than the  private sector, but  that gradually changed.   However,                                                               
he said  he believes that  even if  the state offers  more money,                                                               
people will still  retire, but he hates to  see productive people                                                               
retire.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  asked if  the defined  contribution had                                                               
any impact on the department's ability to attract employees.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  VON  SCHEBEN answered  that  he  finds the  biggest                                                               
issue is the  lower salary and secondly, finding the  talent.  He                                                               
agreed  to provide  the  results  of an  in-house  survey to  the                                                               
committee                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:08:23 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MUNOZ asked if the ARRA requirements are onerous.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  VON SCHEBEN  answered  yes, but  while meeting  the                                                               
ARRA  is a  lot  of work,  it  is worth  the  benefits the  state                                                               
receives.  Furthermore,  the DOT&PF had numerous  projects on the                                                               
shelf  to  take   advantage  of  the  stimulus   funds,  but  the                                                               
department does not currently have many projects on the shelf.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:10:02 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MENARD asked  whether the state's policy  that limits re-                                                               
hiring  retired   state  engineers  or  other   professionals  as                                                               
contract employees has hurt his department.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  VON  SCHEBEN  answered  yes,  adding  that  he  has                                                               
employees who will need to phase out because of the policy.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MENARD  related  her  concern  that  as  some  employees                                                               
retire, agencies  are not attempting  to hire new  employees, but                                                               
are simply hiring  the retirees within a couple of  days of their                                                               
retirement.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER VON  SCHEBEN answered that as  commissioner he wants                                                               
to  have  all the  tools  available  for  hiring personnel.    He                                                               
characterized his mentality  as a private sector  mentality so he                                                               
tries hard to keep his good staff.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:12:49 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHANSEN related  his understanding that currently                                                               
the administration  is working  with the  governor on  the budget                                                               
and the  Surface Transportation  Improvement Program (STIP).   He                                                               
asked for  the process for  submitting projects for  inclusion in                                                               
the governor's  capital budget, and  what is the process  to rank                                                               
or score projects for general fund consideration.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER VON  SCHEBEN answered  that the DOT&PF  is currently                                                               
still in the planning process and  no decisions have been made as                                                               
yet.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER   VON  SCHEBEN,   in   response  to   Representative                                                               
Johansen, said  he was  unsure that he  could answer  whether any                                                               
strictly  general  fund  project  was placed  in  the  Governor's                                                               
budget or the speak to the process.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:15:15 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DOOGAN expressed  interest in  how confident  the                                                               
DOT&PF is  that it can  prioritize the projects; and  whether the                                                               
DOT&PF's project priority list is available to the committee.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER   VON  SCHEBEN   answered  the   DOT&PF  prioritizes                                                               
projects and  once the priorities  are made the results  could be                                                               
shared.                                                                                                                         
10:17:02 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DOOGAN  offered  that  he  wants  to  be  sure  a                                                               
sufficient departmental  priority list based on  criteria will be                                                               
available.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER   VON  SCHEBEN   answered  that   the  figures   for                                                               
transportation needs  are staggering, including the  estimate for                                                               
infrastructure for  the proposed natural  gas line.   The general                                                               
obligation (G.O.) bonds necessary  are estimated at $270 million.                                                               
The DOT&PF  is one of the  three legs of the  three-legged stool,                                                               
and DOT&PF must  work closely with the  executive and legislative                                                               
branches to  insure that the process  works well.  He  offered to                                                               
share information on the department's  project priorities once it                                                               
is finalized.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:18:50 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHANSEN  asked if  commissioner  is  one of  the                                                               
scorers of the STIP.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER VON SCHEBEN replied no,  that he reviews the overall                                                               
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   JOHANSEN   recalled   the   regional   directors                                                               
prioritize and asked whether the process is open to the public.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER VON SCHEBEN replied yes.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON  said  she  has  previously  attended  the  scoring                                                               
sessions.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:20:20 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  expressed concern that Alaska  will not                                                               
be  eligible for  about 20  percent  of the  federal funding  for                                                               
trains, trails,  and transit due to  the population restrictions.                                                               
He asked to focus on the AMHS as  a means of mass transit and the                                                               
only means  for some.   He inquired  whether an exception  to the                                                               
federal population requirement is being considered for the 3 Ts.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  VON SCHEBEN  agreed  that the  AMHS  serves such  a                                                               
large area, yet funding the AMHS  remains a problem.  He deferred                                                               
to  staff, but  agreed the  population constraint  will hurt  the                                                               
state since a population of 500,000 is the cut-off.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:23:56 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHRISTINE  KLEIN, Deputy  Commissioner,  Aviation, Department  of                                                               
Transportation  &   Public  Facilities  (DOT&PF),   reviewed  the                                                               
strengths of Alaska's  aviation system, including that  it is the                                                               
largest in  the U.S.  and larger than  the Russian  Federation of                                                               
Airports, with  258 state-owned airports,  and over  700 airports                                                               
recognized  by the  Federal  Aviation  Administration [slide  1].                                                               
She noted  173 airports are  gravel, and Southeast Alaska  has 37                                                               
seaplane  docks, since  it  relies on  floatplanes.   In  Alaska,                                                               
aviation is the main mode of  transportation and in 77 percent of                                                               
the communities, this mode often  provides the only access in and                                                               
out  of the  community,  but  88 percent  of  communities in  the                                                               
Northern and  Central Regions  of state  rely solely  on aviation                                                               
for access.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:27:32 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. KLEIN discussed the economic  contribution of airports to the                                                               
state [slide 2].   Some 47,000 jobs statewide in  rural and urban                                                               
areas are  related to aviation  and airports.  If  the Department                                                               
of  Labor  &  Workforce  Development (DLWD)  separated  out  this                                                               
sector  it would  be the  fifth largest  provider of  the state's                                                               
gross product  since it contributes  $3.5 billion to  the state's                                                               
$44  billion gross  product, or  about 8  percent of  the state's                                                               
economy.   She  explained  that the  aviation  jobs and  economic                                                               
impact  is  twice  the  national average.    Even  villages  have                                                               
someone  who  works   in  the  airport  or   on  airport  related                                                               
activities [slide 3].   About 2,000 jobs are  directly related to                                                               
municipal and state airport operations,  with 25,000 jobs related                                                               
to on-site businesses, the air  carriers, the cargo carriers, and                                                               
fuel  and support  service providers,  and  an additional  20,000                                                               
jobs  due   to  the  multiplier  effect,   totaling  47,000  jobs                                                               
statewide.   Thus, 10 percent  of all jobs  in Alaska are  due to                                                               
the aviation  industry, she said.   In  2007, of $3.4  billion of                                                               
the  state's  gross  domestic  product; based  on  the  DLWD,  $2                                                               
billion  were  direct  expenditures  on the  airports,  and  $1.4                                                               
billion were indirect  expenditures, for a total of  8 percent of                                                               
the state's  gross state product  (GSP), compared to  5.6 percent                                                               
nationwide.   The  aviation industry  is larger  than the  trade,                                                               
construction  and   manufacturing,  health  and   education,  and                                                               
hospitality and leisure sections.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:30:34 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KLEIN  highlighted  issues and  challenges,  including  that                                                               
Alaska  has a  small population  but receives  a larger  share of                                                               
federal funds  [slide 4].   The state received $78.3  million for                                                               
airport projects,  one the  largest sums in  ARRA funding  due to                                                               
the state's  aviation system.   Even some small  communities such                                                               
as  Ouzinkie  have  airports.   The  DOT&PF  follows  an  onerous                                                               
project prioritization  process for  all its  projects.   Over 16                                                               
technical  and  engineering  criteria  are  used  to  rank  every                                                               
project  considered   for  funding.    She   invited  members  to                                                               
participate.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:32:40 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KLEIN, in  response  to  Representative Johansen,  explained                                                               
that   project  prioritization   applies   to  federally   funded                                                               
projects,  but also  applies  to  state-funded airport  projects,                                                               
although there  are not many  state-funded airport projects.   In                                                               
further response, Ms. Klein answered  that the DOT&PF would still                                                               
rank projects even  if the DOT&PF requested  general fund monies.                                                               
She offered  that sometimes legislators add  projects in addition                                                               
to the DOT&PF process for project inclusion.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:33:30 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHANSEN  surmised  that  whether  a  project  is                                                               
funded  through  federal funds  or  state  general funds  and  is                                                               
submitted   by   a  legislator   or   the   Governor,  the   same                                                               
prioritization process is used.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KLEIN replied  yes.   She  related that  95  percent of  the                                                               
airport projects are federally-funded projects.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:34:25 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHANSEN   recalled  the   DOT&PF  commissioner's                                                               
discussion yesterday  regarding road projects.   He asked whether                                                               
the system is different for aviation.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KLEIN  agreed that  the  process  DOT&PF uses  for  aviation                                                               
projects is a  different system and process than the  one used to                                                               
prioritize  road   projects.    In  response   to  Representative                                                               
Johansen, Ms. Klein agreed that  the process for aviation general                                                               
fund  projects  is  different  than   the  one  used  to  develop                                                               
priorities for road projects.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:35:16 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. KLEIN explained  that some concern was expressed  by Lower 48                                                               
states  since Alaska  receives a  large sum  of federal  Aviation                                                               
Improvement Program (AIP) authorizations.   Alaska receives about                                                               
7  percent of  all  AIP funding.   Thus,  questions  arise as  to                                                               
whether  Alaska  should spend  such  large  sums for  such  small                                                               
communities.   One  of  the criteria  considered  is if  aviation                                                               
provides the  only access  for communities.   Therefore,  the AIP                                                               
becomes heavily weighted due to  access and safety issues in such                                                               
situations.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:36:45 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  recalled that one  airport, Bethel,  averaged three                                                               
MEDEVACs per  day due to  smaller villages funneling  in injuries                                                               
to the regional hub.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KLEIN related  that  the  Bethel hub  is  the third  busiest                                                               
airport in the state, serving 27 active villages in the area.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:37:31 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KLEIN reviewed  another challenge,  which she  identified as                                                               
the federal unfunded mandate and the  costs [slide 5].  This is a                                                               
particularly  difficult challenge  in maintenance  and operations                                                               
for airports, roads,  and the AMHS.  Aviation  has seen increases                                                               
in  federal  oversight  for   security  from  the  Transportation                                                               
Security Administration, the Department  of Homeland Security; as                                                               
well   as  increased   requirements,  including   runway  marking                                                               
standards,  wetlands  mitigation,  and  de-icing.   Many  of  the                                                               
requirements  have become  more stringent  over the  years, which                                                               
add costs to projects without funds  to address them.  The runway                                                               
safety standards  can add $20 -$40  million to a project  for the                                                               
FAA requirements  for safety for  larger aircraft.  The  FAA Part                                                               
139  airports, which  are the  larger airports  that provide  jet                                                               
service, have  even more onerous  requirements due  to additional                                                               
safety, fire protection, law  enforcement and other requirements.                                                               
Thus,  the additional  requirements create  large impacts  to the                                                               
DOT&PF  budget, which  remain at  the same  level of  funding for                                                               
many years.   Additionally, there are escalating  costs in remote                                                               
locations and  materials.  She  remarked that most of  the gravel                                                               
is barged  in or shipped  to some  of the airports  the committee                                                               
toured.    Thus,  the  cost  can double  or  triple  because  the                                                               
materials must be  transported to villages from  other regions in                                                               
the state, particularly in Southwest Alaska.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:39:47 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHANSEN recalled an  article by the University of                                                               
Alaska  Fairbanks   (UAF)  on  its   efforts  to   explore  using                                                               
experimental northern  grasses on  runways.  He  further recalled                                                               
that it  was about $600  per yard for  gravel.  He  asked whether                                                               
the DOT&PF has considered this as an option.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. KLEIN  said she has not  yet had a chance  to coordinate with                                                               
UAF.   The UAF  agricultural components  have been  using grasses                                                               
and sedges to control dust and  slopes, and some of these grasses                                                               
may be applicable.  She offered to check into the issue.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:42:10 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DOOGAN reverted  to  the question  Representative                                                               
Johansen asked earlier.  He inquired  as to how projects that are                                                               
strictly  state general  fund are  prioritized.   He related  his                                                               
understanding that the division and  the department has a list of                                                               
prioritized  projects  complied in  a  list  to seek  legislative                                                               
funding approval.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. KLEIN said she was unaware  of any 100 percent general funded                                                               
airport  projects, but  offered  to  check on  this  matter.   In                                                               
response  to Representative  Doogan,  Ms. Klein  agreed that  the                                                               
aviation  projects are  compiled on  one list,  but she  asked to                                                               
defer to staff.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:43:47 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ROGER   MAAGARD,  Rural   System  Airport   Development  Manager,                                                               
Statewide  Aviation,   Department  of  Transportation   &  Public                                                               
Facilities  (DOT&PF), explained  the  funding process.   He  said                                                               
that  the DOT&PF  uses 3  sets  of criteria  to evaluate  airport                                                               
projects:   One for  airfield projects,  the second  for facility                                                               
projects, and  the third  for construction  projects.   These are                                                               
DOT&PF  criteria.   The  FAA has  its own  set  of criteria,  the                                                               
national  priority rating,  which uses  different criteria.   The                                                               
state uses its criteria to  study internal priorities.  While the                                                               
FAA  does not  specifically require  the  state to  have its  own                                                               
criteria,  the   state's  criteria  is  specific   to  Alaska  to                                                               
emphasize  the  safety and  economic  development  concerns.   He                                                               
recapped  that the  three set  of  criteria the  state uses  each                                                               
generates  priority scores,  which aren't  necessarily comparable                                                               
with  buildings, the  airfield,  and any  equipment.   Thus,  the                                                               
state maintains a balancing act  between the aforementioned three                                                               
sets of  criteria designed  to meet  the highest  building needs,                                                               
equipment, and airfield needs such as paving and gravel.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:46:33 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DOOGAN  recalled  that Commissioner  von  Scheben                                                               
advised the  committee DOT&PF road  projects can be  built faster                                                               
when the department uses general  funds to build highways because                                                               
fewer hoops  are required.   He asked if  the same thing  is true                                                               
for airports.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. MAAGARD  replied yes.   He explained that that  process would                                                               
avoid  going through  the environmental  processes.   The typical                                                               
environmental  assessment   and  development   process  generally                                                               
requires  18  months.   If  a  project,  such  as one  in  Sitka,                                                               
requires an environmental  impact statement (EIS), the  FAA is in                                                               
charge  of  the EIS  and  it  has  spent eight  years  evaluating                                                               
impacts  at the  Sitka  airport.   If the  solution  is a  simple                                                               
matter  like  putting  down  gravel  on  an  existing  runway  or                                                               
repaving an existing runway, it can  generally be done by using a                                                               
categorical exclusion  to the  EIS, which can  be processed  in a                                                               
matter of weeks or months.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DOOGAN recalled  the  committee's  tour of  rural                                                               
airports, and  visiting the  Chefornak airway,  which desperately                                                               
needs work.   He asked if the legislature decided  to fix up that                                                               
airport, whether  the project would  undergo the  same evaluation                                                               
process as everything  else or would it have  the same advantages                                                               
as a general fund road.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MAAGARD  agreed the  project  could  be  done quicker.    In                                                               
response  to   Representative  Doogan,  he  clarified   that  the                                                               
evaluation process would be faster.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:50:07 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KLEIN   explained  that   federal  earmarks   require  grant                                                               
assurances.   Most  of the  airports  in Alaska  were built  with                                                               
federal  funds.   Thus, when  accepting the  earmarks, the  state                                                               
must consent to a 20-year  obligation to manage and operate these                                                               
airports  to a  higher standard.   The  deferred maintenance  and                                                               
life safety maintenance are performed with general fund monies.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. KLEIN described  some challenges for fiscal year  2011 and on                                                               
since the  state anticipates receiving  less federal  funding for                                                               
airports,  particularly  for  smaller  airports [slide  7].    On                                                               
average,  the  state  receives  about  $180  million  in  federal                                                               
funding for  its airports.   The rural airports receive  about 80                                                               
percent,  while  the  international  airports  receive  about  20                                                               
percent  of  the annual  funding.    The  funding formula  is  95                                                               
percent federal funds, and the  DOT&PF primarily requests general                                                               
fund  for  the  matching  funds.    Requests  for  operating  and                                                               
maintenance costs are general fund requests for rural airports.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KLEIN explained  that  the demand  for  airport services  is                                                               
increasing faster  than the  DOT&PF can  address them  [slide 8].                                                               
For  example,  the Bethel  Airport  would  like longer  hours  of                                                               
operation  since it  is a  busy  hub.   Faster airplanes  require                                                               
longer runways,  and also  have additional  safety concerns.   As                                                               
people  demand faster  aircraft, the  DOT&PF needs  better runway                                                               
surfaces, turning areas, and aprons.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KLEIN discussed  airport maintenance  and operations  [slide                                                               
8].   Many issues the  committee saw  during its tour  are safety                                                               
issues  such as  surface and  snow removal  issues.   The airport                                                               
managers  typically have  small  contracts but  try  to keep  the                                                               
airports  open  longer  and fulfill  higher  expectations.    The                                                               
operating  funds  from the  state's  general  fund are  stretched                                                               
further and further.  Thus some  demands aren't met.  She pointed                                                               
out  some  airports  produce  a small  amount  of  funds  through                                                               
leases, totaling about $3.9 million per year.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:54:35 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KLEIN explained  that this  photograph illustrates  the soft                                                               
runway surface  at South  Naknek airport  which becomes  a safety                                                               
issue, [slide  8].  In the  past two years the  DOT&PF identified                                                               
over   $98  million   in  deferred   maintenance  for   over  200                                                               
maintenance project.   The  core funds that  are relied  upon are                                                               
from  four sources:   Airport  Safety Requests  - covers  lights,                                                               
wind  aids,  and  navigation  aids;  Runway  -  covers  surfaces,                                                               
vegetations,   and  paving;   Deferred  Maintenance   -  drainage                                                               
erosion, buildings, equipment; and Security - fences and gates.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:56:36 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KLEIN  characterized  the   deferred  maintenance  needs  as                                                               
significant.   The DOT&PF  has identified  over $98.9  million in                                                               
deferred  maintenance,  which  includes  access  roadways.    She                                                               
related to  four "buckets" of  funds for airport capital  needs :                                                               
airport  safety  including  lighting,  navaids,  electrical,  and                                                               
windsocks;  the  airport  surfaces,  which  includes  gravel  for                                                               
Southwest   Alaska   and   Northwest   Alaska   areas;   deferred                                                               
maintenance,  including  drainage  erosion issues,  and  building                                                               
repair; and security requirements including fences and gates.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. KLEIN  offered that  the DOT&PF  capital funding  needs total                                                               
about $1.5  billion -  similar to  roads.   Airports are  held to                                                               
different  standards,  depending  on  whether  it  is  a  primary                                                               
airport or non-primary.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:57:22 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON inquired as to how  many primary airports are in the                                                               
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. KLEIN answered  that between 22 - 27  airports are considered                                                               
primary airports, including Bethel.   However, the Bethel airport                                                               
is  dependent  upon the  140,000  emplanements  and over  200,000                                                               
operations.   In further response  to Chair Wilson,  she answered                                                               
that about 230 airports are non-primary airports.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:58:14 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KLEIN discussed  rural workforce  and  training [slide  11].                                                               
She  explained that  workforce presents  challenges, particularly                                                               
in rural Alaska  in terms of obtaining a skilled  workforce.  She                                                               
stated  that  one  challenge  is to  provide  training  to  rural                                                               
maintenance and  operations contractors  on how  to appropriately                                                               
operate  equipment on  an airport  runway.   The  DOT&PF is  also                                                               
reviewing  technical airport  training on  the airport  surfaces,                                                               
consisting of  at least  five components.   She related  that the                                                               
DOT&PF continues to seek approval of an apprenticeship program.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
11:00:07 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. KLEIN  provided a recap [slide  12].  She explained  that the                                                               
state  needs  to  review  a  new funding  model  to  operate  and                                                               
maintain  rural airports.   Currently,  it costs  from $30  - $35                                                               
million to operate the 256 airports  in the state.  Revenues have                                                               
increased by 6.5  percent in the past year.   The DOT&PF needs to                                                               
train  its  workforce  better,   and  increase  operating  hours.                                                               
Commissioner  von  Scheben has  discussed  and  will continue  to                                                               
discuss  a  state-funded transportation  fund  in  order to  move                                                               
projects through faster and avoid the 20-year grant guarantee.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. KLEIN stated that the  Nunapitchuk airport must be reached by                                                               
ferry [slide 13].                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
11:02:05 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MENARD  asked whether the  state has  coordinated efforts                                                               
with other cold climates regions with respect to materials.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. KLEIN  answered that there are  some organizations, primarily                                                               
American  Association of  Airport  Executives,  and the  Airports                                                               
Council International,  of which  Alaska is a  member.   She said                                                               
there  is not  an  organization strictly  for northern  airports,                                                               
because it is a much  smaller group, particularly the large scale                                                               
airports.   The  state has  won awards  for its  efforts on  snow                                                               
removal, and the DOT&PF does  coordinate with Russia and Siberia.                                                               
She offered that she has hosted  two groups, and has also visited                                                               
Moscow.  The DOT&PF was just  notified this week that the Russian                                                               
Federation of Aviation would like  to return to Alaska to observe                                                               
rural airports.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MENARD suggested  that Midwestern  states could  also be                                                               
helpful in such discussions.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:05:25 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG explained  that the  state is  facing a                                                               
lawsuit on  the constitutionality  of cruise ship  head tax.   He                                                               
further  explained that  the allowable  uses of  those funds  are                                                               
governed  by new  federal law  and constitutional  principles are                                                               
largely governed  by the Interstate  Commerce Clause.   The model                                                               
is  based  on  federal  legislation that  involves  airports  and                                                               
assesses fees.  He  asked if there is a list  as to the allowable                                                               
uses of  those federal  funds that  the state  could review  as a                                                               
template for the allowable uses of cruise ship head tax.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KLEIN answered  yes.   The funds  in question  are passenger                                                               
facility charges, which are collected  by the airlines, submitted                                                               
to the FAA,  and the monies are returned to  airports in the form                                                               
of grants.   The process must undergo federal  approval and abide                                                               
by  federal  regulations.    She  characterized  the  process  as                                                               
lengthy with strict  requirements for how the funds  can be used,                                                               
typically  for  those   things  that  are  not   funded  such  as                                                               
terminals, and  buildings.   She offered  to provide  the federal                                                               
guidelines to the committee.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG remarked  that  the definite  parallels                                                               
between the industries  and perhaps the state  should review what                                                               
has been done with airport fees.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
11:08:53 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  remarked that Sitka  receives funds because  of the                                                               
passenger tax, but  not every airport receives the  funding.  She                                                               
recalled that the first or second airport receives the funding.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
11:09:52 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  clarified that he is  interested in the                                                               
projects themselves.   He remarked that one  case allows maritime                                                               
taxes to be used for emergency vehicles.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KLEIN  agreed  to  provide  federal  criteria  list  to  the                                                               
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
11:11:35 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHANSEN pointed out  the extensive capital needs,                                                               
of which  70 percent is for  runway surfaces.  He  stated that he                                                               
will  ask the  commissioner for  ways the  department is  seeking                                                               
solutions in the area of rural airports.                                                                                        
11:13:24 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JIM  BEEDLE, Deputy  Commissioner  of  Marine Operations,  Marine                                                               
Highway  System (AMHS),  Department  of  Transportation &  Public                                                               
Facilities  (DOT&PF), shared  a photo  of  an older  ferry and  a                                                               
newer fast  ferry [cover slide -  slide 1].  He  pointed out that                                                               
the older  ferry runs  about 17  knots, and  the fast  ferry runs                                                               
about 36  knots.   He remarked  that the  AMHS is  really running                                                               
fairly smoothly.   In September  2005, the DOT&PF  recognized the                                                               
AMHS as an all  American road.  The AMHS is the  only road in the                                                               
nation   with  this   distinction.     The  AMHS   has  committed                                                               
professional staff  on the vessels  and at its central  office in                                                               
Ketchikan.  He commended Captain  John Falvey for his performance                                                               
and Commissioner von Scheben for his guidance.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BEEDLE provided  statistics on  the ferry  system, which  is                                                               
3,500 miles long  [slide 2].  He compared the  number of miles in                                                               
the British Columbia  (BC) ferry systems with the  BC ferry route                                                               
at  755 miles  and the  Washington  State Ferries  at 200  miles.                                                               
Then he compared the low ferry  ridership in Alaska to the 25 and                                                               
21  million people  transported in  the BC  and Washington  State                                                               
systems.  The  DOT&PF has been working to insure  that ferry boat                                                               
discretionary fund considers the length  of AMHS to insure Alaska                                                               
obtain funds.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BEEDLE discussed the AMHS route  [slide 3].  He described the                                                               
route  since it  passes through  Canada.   New  rules from  9/11,                                                               
Canadian  customs,  differences  between  the  felony  crimes  in                                                               
Canada  and the  U.S. creates  issues, including  that a  driving                                                               
while under the influence conviction  in the U.S. is considered a                                                               
felony in Canada.   The AMHS passengers are  affected by Canadian                                                               
custom's   requirements  for   single  parent   travel,  custom's                                                               
restrictions, and new passport requirements.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:19:41 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BEEDLE  explained that  the  four  vessels highlighted  [M/V                                                               
Malaspina,  M/V  Taku, M/V  Matanuska,  and  M/V Tustumena]  were                                                               
purchased with  voter approved general  obligation (GO)  bonds in                                                               
November  1960 [slide  3].   Of the  $18 million  total cost,  $3                                                               
million went  to the docks,  the remaining $15 million  was spent                                                               
on vessels.   All four  vessels will come to  end of life  at the                                                               
same period  of time.  The  DOT&PF's challenge will be  to manage                                                               
replacement  cost of  these vessels  as  soon as  possible.   The                                                               
Alaska Class  ferry is just  the beginning,  he said.   Since the                                                               
M/V  Tustumena is  an ocean  going vessel,  its replacement  will                                                               
also  need to  be replaced  in-kind  with staterooms  due to  the                                                               
length of the run.  New  engines are needed on three vessels, the                                                               
M/V Columbia, M/V  Malaspina, and the M/V Aurora,  which are high                                                               
cost items with  long lead times.  The M/V  Columbia must be done                                                               
soon; the  plan is to  replace the  M/V Malaspina with  an Alaska                                                               
Class ferry, if  not, the engines will need to  be replaced.  The                                                               
M/V Aurora's  engines are  working well  but will  need replaced.                                                               
The fast ferries will require repowering  in 2013 and 2014 due to                                                               
the wear and tear on high speed engines.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. BEEDLE discussed federal funding  [slide 6].  He related that                                                               
AMHS has  two federal  earmarks in  the ferry  boat discretionary                                                               
portion of  the federal  highway bill.   The AMHS  receives $17.5                                                               
million per year  from the two federal earmarks.   He anticipated                                                               
what will come  out of the new federal  authorization is unknown.                                                               
Even  if the  AMHS receives  the full  $17 million,  the cost  to                                                               
repair  and   maintain  the  aging   vessels  has   increased  so                                                               
additional monies  will be  needed.   The AMHS  will come  to the                                                               
legislature with  requests to cover  any federal short  falls, as                                                               
the maintenance is important to meet safety requirements.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
11:23:20 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BEEDLE explained  the AMHS  early vessel  schedule releases,                                                               
which  help  the  public  plan  trips, but  falls  ahead  of  the                                                               
appropriation schedule [slide 6].                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHANSEN remarked  that  the  AMHS competes  with                                                               
other  transportation  system.    He  asked  whether  the  cruise                                                               
industry books reservations two years out.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BEEDLE responded  that the  travel industry  has begged  the                                                               
AMHS for an  early released schedule, in fact,  while October 1st                                                               
is the earliest  the AMHS can schedule each year;  it cannot plan                                                               
a two-year  in advance  schedule due to  budget schedule  and how                                                               
the AMHS is funded.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHANSEN stated  that the  AMHS should  just move                                                               
forward and  have confidence  the legislature  will support.   He                                                               
applauded the  DOT&PF performance with  respect to the AMHS.   He                                                               
offered that the  DOT&PF will lose if it cannot  plan in advance.                                                               
Consistency  is  necessary for  successful  AMHS  operation.   In                                                               
response to Representative Johansen,  Mr. Beedle advised that the                                                               
administration has provided cooperation  and support to allow the                                                               
AMHS to publish  a schedule in October.  However,  he stated that                                                               
if he overspends his budget, he could be prosecuted.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON  offered the  committee's  assistance  in terms  of                                                               
forward funding for the AMHS.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
11:28:41 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BEEDLE,  in response to Representative  Doogan explained that                                                               
disclaimer information is currently  printed in the schedule, but                                                               
customer service problems result  when schedule changes are made.                                                               
He  surmised that  when some  people  travel to  Alaska they  are                                                               
taking the trip of their life,  and become very angry if the AMHS                                                               
schedule changes and  they cannot make their destination.   It is                                                               
not  as though  they can  put  their recreational  vehicle on  an                                                               
airplane.   He has  worked for  the agency for  30 years  and has                                                               
seen  people suffer  when the  ferries have  mechanical problems.                                                               
There  seems to  be a  willingness  by the  public to  understand                                                               
mechanical failures, but  it does not extend  to schedule changes                                                               
do to financial issues or other administrative issues.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DOOGAN asked  whether the state is  just that much                                                               
more  risk   averse.    The  airlines   frequently  change  their                                                               
schedules, he stated.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. BEEDLE  surmised that has to  do with the service  level.  He                                                               
described a scenario in which  a passenger in Bellingham awaits a                                                               
one-week sailing  which is then  cancelled.  The  stranded person                                                               
may  need to  route  through  Canada to  reach  Alaska, he  said.                                                               
Alternatives are  complicated, especially  in instances  in which                                                               
the only monthly  trip to the Aleutians or a  ferry crossing Gulf                                                               
of  Alaska  is  eliminated,  especially  since  many  people  are                                                               
driving recreational  vehicles.  There are  not necessarily other                                                               
options, or even timely ones, he said.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DOOGAN  surmised  that  the  AMHS  has  a  fairly                                                               
healthy  dose of  bureaucratic risk  aversion.   If the  state is                                                               
going to operate  the ferry as a business operates,  that it must                                                               
be ruthless.  He remarked that  if one of the problems associated                                                               
with  low ridership  is the  lack of  two-year advance  schedule,                                                               
that AMHA should address the issue.   He advocated for a two-year                                                               
schedule, with the understanding that changes may occur.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11:33:19 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MENARD suggested that a  disclaimer should be included on                                                               
brochure or printed schedule.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BEEDLE pointed out that the  AMHS already has a disclaimer in                                                               
its brochures, on its websites, and  on its tickets.  Still, from                                                               
a  customer  service perspective  the  issue  is different.    He                                                               
agreed the day boat schedules can  be printed in advance, but the                                                               
AMHS  found  that  tourists  would   rather  take  the  long-haul                                                               
ferries.   He agreed that further  the scheduling can be  done in                                                               
advance, the  better.  It  is a huge  risk if the  budget changes                                                               
and the AMHS  does not secure sufficient funding,  that the local                                                               
public is  affected by the  associated budget cuts since  it will                                                               
result in  cuts in  fall/winter when it  hurts Alaskans.   Nearly                                                               
the  entire state  capital budget  for  AMHS is  used for  vessel                                                               
licensing for the  next year.  The legislature  has directed AMHS                                                               
to  perform  overhauls  within  the   state  and  the  rates  are                                                               
negotiated  in  advance  since  the   only  way  to  program  the                                                               
overhauls  is  to  have  built-in costs.    When  the  Governor's                                                               
capital  budget is  cut, it  affects vessel  licensing, he  said.                                                               
Additionally,  breakdowns  of  ferries  cannot  be  predicted  or                                                               
subsequently  addressed  in  the   schedule.    Thus,  risks  are                                                               
inherently involved to schedule two years in advance.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
11:37:05 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MENARD  understood that the  AMHS wants  forward funding.                                                               
She thinks the  AMHS needs a "think tank" approach  to lower some                                                               
of this concern in order to provide solutions.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. BEEDLE  said that currently  he is  quite happy just  to have                                                               
the schedule already printed for next summer.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
11:38:41 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MUNOZ supported the  concept of forward funding of                                                               
the  AMHS.   She asked  how  the new  requirements for  passports                                                               
would affect  her constituents as  they travel through  Canada on                                                               
the AMHS system.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. BEEDLE explained that as  long as passengers are traveling on                                                               
an Alaskan ferry, they will  not actually enter Canada since they                                                               
do  not stop  in  a  Canadian port  enroute  Alaska.   Thus,  her                                                               
constituents will  not need a  passport to travel from  Juneau to                                                               
Bellingham.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MUNOZ understood  that  passports  are for  those                                                               
getting  disembarking  in  Prince Rupert,  Canada,  or  traveling                                                               
northbound to Haines, and then driving through Canada.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. BEEDLE replied yes.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MUNOZ  remarked  that Washington  State  is  also                                                               
facing similar  passport issues  and is  proposing identification                                                               
with more information embedded in the license.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.   BEEDLE   pointed  out   that   a   U.S.  Customs   passport                                                               
identification  card is  also  available in  addition  to a  full                                                               
passport.    The identification  cards  can  be used  by  persons                                                               
driving to Canada  or Mexico.  However, the key  is that a person                                                               
traveling  needs  to know  in  advance  about the  identification                                                               
cards to allow for processing time.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
11:41:50 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHANSEN   commended  Mr.   Beedle  on   his  job                                                               
performance.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BEEDLE, in  response to  Representative Johansen,  explained                                                               
that the  decision to reduce  the second sailing  from Bellingham                                                               
to  Ketchikan was  timely  due  to the  economic  downturn.   The                                                               
second vessel in the Bellingham  run only increases revenue by 18                                                               
percent.    The  second  ferry  run,  with  the  availability  of                                                               
staterooms  and  vehicle  space,  made it  very  comfortable  and                                                               
practical for  passengers since they  could always get  a vehicle                                                               
and cabin.  The second  vessel elimination saved the state money,                                                               
although it  created inconvenience for  passengers, he said.   He                                                               
then discussed  the Prince Rupert  schedule and  passport issues.                                                               
If the terminus was Prince Rupert,  two round trips could be made                                                               
in one week, while departing  from Bellingham only one northbound                                                               
and southbound ferry trip is possible  during the same time.  The                                                               
issue with  the passport  requirement is  the processing  time so                                                               
passengers  must  know in  advance  of  reaching the  border,  he                                                               
stressed.   Prince Rupert  is still very  important in  regard to                                                               
providing adequate service levels in Southeast Alaska.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
11:46:28 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BEEDLE,  in response to Representative  Johansen, returned to                                                               
slide 4,  and answered that the  M/V Lituya provides two  trips a                                                               
day between  Ketchikan and  Metlakatla.   He explained  that five                                                               
employees and one  crew provide service five days per  week.  The                                                               
community extended  the road system to  shorten the run.   A dock                                                               
is also being  considered, and if implemented  will reduce costs,                                                               
including AMHS  overtime.  In further  response to Representative                                                               
Johansen,  Mr.  Beedle  answered  that  the  M/V  Lituya  is  the                                                               
smallest vessel, but it manages  to serve one community of 13,000                                                               
and  another of  1,300, with  each resident  traveling about  ten                                                               
times a year.   The M/V Lituya is a model of  what is possible to                                                               
achieve in the future, he said.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
11:48:58 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DOOGAN  inquired as to  which are the  four oldest                                                               
would be replaced by Alaska Class vessels.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. BEEDLE answered that the  M/V Malaspina is using its original                                                               
engine, but the other three vessels  of the same age have already                                                               
had engine  replacements.  Since the  proposed replacement vessel                                                               
is anticipated  at $25 million, the  state will save money  if it                                                               
can replace  the M/V Malaspina's  engine.  All three  vessels are                                                               
in different  conditions, so when  the Alaska Class  ferries come                                                               
on line  the AMHS will  need to reassess ferry  vessel conditions                                                               
and prioritize vessel  replacements.  It is  difficult to project                                                               
at this point, he said.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. BEEDLE, in response to  Representative Doogan, explained that                                                               
if three Alaska class vessels  were purchased, two of main liners                                                               
would be eliminated, and the AMHS  would have to decide which two                                                               
would be replaced.   Currently, the AMHS is  focused on replacing                                                               
the M/V  Malaspina.  In order  to enter Canada vessels  must meet                                                               
safety of  life at sea  (SOLACE) regulations - the  M/V Malaspina                                                               
and  M/V Matanuska  do not  meet  the regulations,  which is  one                                                               
reason these  vessels are on  the Bellingham  run or are  used as                                                               
day  boats.   The  Alaska  Class  vessels  will meet  the  SOLACE                                                               
requirements.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
11:51:43 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG   recalled  Commissioner   von  Scheben                                                               
previously stated the DOT&PF is  losing 20 percent of the federal                                                               
funding  because  the state  is  not  eligible for  federal  mass                                                               
transit funding.   He  asked if AMHS  is only  considered transit                                                               
for certain parts of the state.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BEEDLE  related  that  the  department  makes  comments  and                                                               
recommendations  to  the  FHWA.   He  agreed  that  Alaska's  low                                                               
population  proves  to   be  difficult,  but  if   the  state  is                                                               
successful in  making its  case to  the FHWA  to use  distance as                                                               
criteria, that would be considered a victory for Alaska.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  recalled  traveling  to  Scotland  and                                                               
traveling on some of the ferry  systems.  He related that several                                                               
private companies  provide ferry  service.   He offered  to share                                                               
his books  and information  on the Scotland  ferry system  to the                                                               
administration.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. BEEDLE  expressed his interest in  reviewing the information.                                                               
The contract for the Southeast  Transportation Plan will research                                                               
whether lower-end  vessels that  are more  economical to  run and                                                               
these  smaller   vessels  may  help  address   needs  of  smaller                                                               
communities.  The  goal is to take care of  the small communities                                                               
in an economical and efficient  manner.  In further response, Mr.                                                               
Beedle  offered   to  make  the  information   available  to  the                                                               
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
11:56:59 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  expressed concern with the  new federal                                                               
9/11  requirements  that  make it  difficult  for  Canadians  and                                                               
Alaskans to cross the border.   He offered that it may be helpful                                                               
to share information  with British Columbia and  work together to                                                               
make it easier for travelers.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BEEDLE  discussed increasing  regulations  [slide  12].   He                                                               
remarked that most  of the changes in Canada are  driven from the                                                               
U.S. laws  stemming from 9/11 restrictions.   Radiation detection                                                               
systems  are under  consideration  in the  airline industry,  and                                                               
whatever occurs in  the airline industry tends to  filter down to                                                               
marine industry.  The rules  could drastically change the system,                                                               
particularly as it  pertains to another country,  such as Canada,                                                               
he opined.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON  asked whether  the  AMHS  brochures could  include                                                               
information  suggesting to  potential  travelers that  it may  be                                                               
wise to  bring a passport in  case it is necessary  for the ferry                                                               
to stop at a port such as one in Canada.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. BEEDLE agreed  that is a good  idea and he will  follow up on                                                               
it.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
12:00:31 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BEEDLE, in  response  to  Representative Johansen,  answered                                                               
that the  AMHS negotiates its  employee contracts and one  of the                                                               
negotiated terms  is for employees  to travel for free  travel on                                                               
the AMHS.   He  explained that  union contract  negotiations have                                                               
much control over  how AMHS does its business,  for example, with                                                               
setting   the   crew  schedules.      In   further  response   to                                                               
Representative  Johansen, he  confirmed that  the crew  terms and                                                               
travel are negotiated by contract.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
12:02:27 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BEEDLE,  in response to  Representative Munoz,  answered that                                                               
the  specific restriction  on Americans  convicted of  a DUI  has                                                               
been in  place for  some time  and is  one of  many ways  that an                                                               
individual can  be inadmissible to  Canada.  In  further response                                                               
to Representative  Munoz, he explained  the Canadian  process for                                                               
handling  DUIs;  that   a  fee  for  entry   is  established  for                                                               
rehabilitation.  He surmised that  the fee for DUI rehabilitation                                                               
diminishes  over time,  but recalled  the standard  fee for  U.S.                                                               
residents  with  a DUI  conviction  is  $250  to be  admitted  to                                                               
Canada.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
12:03:35 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BEEDLE continued.   He  explained  that federal  regulations                                                               
impact the AMHS  in different ways, but add to  the cost of doing                                                               
business  and can  result  in  a vessel  being  shut  down.   For                                                               
example, the  AMHS has a  $5 million fund established  to upgrade                                                               
the marine sanitary devices.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
12:05:08 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 12:05 p.m. to 12:17 p.m.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
12:17:35 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
FRANK   RICHARDS,  Deputy   Commissioner,  Highways   and  Public                                                               
Facilities,  Department  of  Transportation &  Public  Facilities                                                               
(DOT&PF),  remarked on  the importance  of  the committee  travel                                                               
taken the past two days  to see the state's infrastructure first-                                                               
hand,  which  is invaluable.    He  recognized efforts  that  the                                                               
Central  Region staff  took  to  present to  the  committee.   He                                                               
explained  that his  overview today  will review  funding issues,                                                               
including  the next  federal authorization,  and will  provide an                                                               
update  on  the stimulus  funds,  or  the American  Recovery  and                                                               
Reinvestment Act of 2009 (ARRA) funds.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS reviewed  the DOT&PF's mission, which  is to provide                                                               
for the  safe movement of  people and  goods and the  delivery of                                                               
state services [slide  2].  He identified ports  and harbors that                                                               
the state still owns after divestiture  [slide 3 -4].  The DOT&PF                                                               
previously owned 100 harbors, but  many have now been turned over                                                               
to local  governments in the state.   The state currently  has 25                                                               
state-owned  harbors.   Most of  the facilities  the state  still                                                               
owns are located  in unincorporated areas, and  these harbors are                                                               
the  focal  point  of economic  activity,  including  marine  and                                                               
aviation activities.   The DOT&PF's goal has been  to provide the                                                               
harbors to  the communities  who charge  and collect  harbor fees                                                               
that fund  on-going harbor maintenance.   The DOT&PF  has capital                                                               
programs,  under the  Corps of  Engineers  Program and  Municipal                                                               
Harbor Facility Grants under AS 29.60.800.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS  offered  challenges and  harbor  needs,  including                                                               
depictions of  bent piles, corroded  pipes, and timber  floats in                                                               
disrepair  [slide  5].   He  reviewed  current  statewide  harbor                                                               
projects  [slide 6].    He explained  that  the statewide  harbor                                                               
projects use  Municipal Harbor  Facility Grants,  matching funds,                                                               
debt reimbursement, and U.S. Army  Corps of Engineers funds.  The                                                               
projects  run across  the coastal  spectrum of  the state  as far                                                               
north as  the Port of  Nome.  The  DOT&PF has noticed  more needs                                                               
for northern ports that are opening  up to traffic due to warming                                                               
trends, he stated.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS  provided details on  the Municipal  Harbor Facility                                                               
Grants program [slide  7].  The grant program  was established in                                                               
2006  to   provide  financial  assistance  to   municipal  harbor                                                               
facilities.   The program requires  an annual  appropriation from                                                               
the legislature,  offers 50/50 matching  grants, ranging  from $5                                                               
thousand  to a  cap  of  $50 thousand.    He  explained that  the                                                               
projects are locally managed projects;  Tier I grants can be used                                                               
on previously  owned facilities for  major maintenance,  and Tier                                                               
II grants can be used for projects for all municipal facilities.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
12:23:20 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS  shifted to  the National  Highway System  (NHS) and                                                               
referred  to a  photograph and  map which  illustrates the  major                                                               
highways  in the  state  that represents  the  2,113 center  line                                                               
miles in  the state [slide 8].   The state has  different highway                                                               
categories, and the  NHS falls under the  FHWA definitions, which                                                               
are  basically the  major highways,  the  major economic  byways,                                                               
which include the Dalton Highway,  Parks Highway, Seward Highway,                                                               
and Glenn Highway representing 2,113 center line miles.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
12:23:59 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  returned to the Tier  I and II grants  and inquired                                                               
whether some  communities did  not take  advantage of  the grants                                                               
because of lack of funds or  due to the communities' status.  She                                                               
recalled a town in her district with few year-round residents.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS answered  that state  facilities in  unincorporated                                                               
areas fall under  state responsibility, but the  DOT&PF would not                                                               
apply  for  grants.    Instead,  these  grants  are  awarded  for                                                               
municipal-owned facilities.  Thus, if  the facility is located in                                                               
an  unincorporated   area,  and  is   not  a  state   asset,  the                                                               
constituents  would  request  a  direct  appropriation  from  the                                                               
legislature.   For  example, near  Juneau, the  port facility  at                                                               
Point Couverton  is a  state asset and  maintenance is  funded by                                                               
the department rather than the grant program.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
12:25:20 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON asked what the state does when the state-owned                                                                     
port facility's deterioration poses a hazard.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS  related that when  the DOT&PF  is made aware  of an                                                               
emergency situation, it would  determine whether existing funding                                                               
was available for the repairs.   If not, the DOT&PF would ask for                                                               
supplemental  budget   funding  from  the  legislature   for  the                                                               
repairs.   Part of the  DOT&PF's mission  is to provide  for safe                                                               
transportation so when  an emergency arises, for  example, a dock                                                               
is damaged  during a vessel  docking, that the DOT&PF  would take                                                               
the  necessary  steps  to  repair   the  state's  asset,  and  if                                                               
necessary would  request additional funding from  the legislature                                                               
to perform  the work.   The process is  similar to the  one taken                                                               
when a road washes out and the DOT&PF must repair the road.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
12:27:09 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS reviewed the Alaska  Highway System (AHS) [slide 9].                                                               
These roads  are roads that are  outside specific municipalities,                                                               
including the  Steese Highway, Denali  Highway, or the  110 miles                                                               
of  gravel  roads  outside Nome  leading  to  other  communities.                                                               
These  roads  typically face  funding  challenges  so the  DOT&PF                                                               
classified  them as  the  AHS  category roads  in  order to  help                                                               
provide  funding  opportunities to  meet  residents'  needs.   He                                                               
provided  details  on  specific  current  highway  funding  needs                                                               
totaling $8 billion  [slide 10].  He noted that  the list is only                                                               
a partial list  limited to highway needs and  not facility needs.                                                               
The list  addresses needs such  as urban capacity  and congestion                                                               
relief,  Highway   Safety  Corridors  (HSC),  and   bringing  the                                                               
National  Highway System  (NHS)  up to  current  standards.   The                                                               
stretch  of  the  Glenn Highway  between  Palmer  and  Glennallen                                                               
remains in  the same condition and  shape as it has  for the past                                                               
several decades.   This section of the Glenn Highway  needs to be                                                               
brought up to current safety standards  as it is currently a two-                                                               
lane road,  without shoulders, dropping  off to steep  terrain on                                                               
the side of the road.   As previously mentioned, the ferry system                                                               
and railroad need upgrades, as  well, and including other transit                                                               
needs totals  $1 billion.   The state's road systems  and bridges                                                               
may  not  be  adequate  to meet  needs  of  transporting  freight                                                               
necessary for the proposed natural gas pipeline.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS read  Federal Energy  Regulatory Commission  (FERC)                                                               
progress report to Congress:                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Recent  infrastructure needs  assessed  by the  Denali,                                                                    
     TransCanada  Alaska,  and  the Alaska  DOT&PF  indicate                                                                    
     there  are a  large number  of projects  to improve  or                                                                    
     repair  highways, bridges,  ports,  and airstrips  that                                                                    
     must be  completed prior to initiating  construction of                                                                    
     an  Alaska   Natural  Gas  pipeline.     Because  these                                                                    
     infrastructure improvements are  long-term efforts that                                                                    
     require  permitting and  funding,  greater progress  in                                                                    
     this  area  must  be made  to  avoid  conflicting  with                                                                    
     projected timeline for the pipeline construction.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
12:30:37 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHANSEN  asked  whether FERC  is  requiring  the                                                               
DOT&PF to build roads.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS   answered  that   the  FERC   simply  acknowledges                                                               
infrastructure needs  in advance  of pipeline construction  as an                                                               
issue,  particularly  in  terms  of timeliness  of  the  proposed                                                               
natural gas pipeline.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
12:31:16 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS continued.  The  truck weight restriction funding is                                                               
for road  repairs due to frost  and other sub-grade issues.   The                                                               
DOT&PF requires  seasonal load limitations  that impact  the flow                                                               
of  goods, and  ultimately will  impact hauling  freight for  the                                                               
natural  gas pipeline  construction.   In particular,  the DOT&PF                                                               
would like to  improve the Parks Highway so trucks  can run legal                                                               
loads year around.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS outlined the HSC  needs [slide 11].  The legislature                                                               
authorized the  DOT&PF to designate  Highway Safety  Corridors to                                                               
address high fatality  and major injury crashes.   Currently, the                                                               
DOT&PF has identified four corridors:   The Parks Highway, Seward                                                               
Highway,  Sterling Highway,  and the  Knik/Goose Bay  Road.   The                                                               
challenges of  improving the Seward  Highway are difficult  as it                                                               
is bounded by  Turnagain Arm on one side and  the hillside on the                                                               
other,  as well  as the  Alaska Railroad  parallels the  highway.                                                               
Nearly  $1 billion  is needed  to improve  these highways  from a                                                               
two-lane to  four-lane divided  highways.   He stressed  that the                                                               
DOT&PF's  primarily  funding needs  for  highways  is for  safety                                                               
upgrades or repairs.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS outlined  the deferred  maintenance  needs by  mode                                                               
which  totaled  $429,188.6  million  [slide 12].    The  deferred                                                               
maintenance  needs  are  the  ones  the  DOT&PF  cannot  normally                                                               
accomplish within  its existing budget.   These maintenance needs                                                               
are  broken  out  in  five  categories:    highways,  facilities,                                                               
statewide  harbor maintenance,  AMHS, and  aviation, and  include                                                               
preventative  surface treatment,  lighting  systems at  airports,                                                               
and  maintaining the  700 buildings  statewide  that have  urgent                                                               
needs.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
12:34:34 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS referred  to issues along the  Seward Highway Safety                                                               
Corridor  and to  the  planned safety  enhancements.   He  listed                                                               
upcoming improvements, including that  the DOT&PF will begin soon                                                               
to install rumble  strips, and in 2010 will  install curb warning                                                               
and delineated  signage, as  well as  implement milepost  88 curb                                                               
improvements for enhanced safety.   Additionally, the DOT&PF uses                                                               
a process called  the 3 E approach -  education, enforcement, and                                                               
engineering  - to  reduce crashes  on the  Seward Highway  Safety                                                               
Corridor.  The DOT&PF's responsibility  lies with the engineering                                                               
aspects for  the Seward Highway.   The DOT&PF has  partnered with                                                               
the  Department  of  Public  Safety  to  address  fatalities  and                                                               
crashes  in the  Seward Highway  Corridor.   The DPS  created the                                                               
Bureau of Highway  Patrol (BHP) within DPS  to provide additional                                                               
enforcement activity,  which is  funded by an  approximately $4.5                                                               
million  federal  grant  via the  Alaska  Highway  Safety  Office                                                               
(AHSO).  This funding will allow  the DPS to add new Alaska State                                                               
Trooper  (AST) positions,  police  vehicles, and  will cover  the                                                               
necessary equipment  and training.  Unfortunately,  the grant has                                                               
a finite life of three years.   Thus, the department will need to                                                               
seek  additional funding  from  the legislature  when the  grants                                                               
end.  He  provided first-hand knowledge that the  BHP efforts and                                                               
increased  enforcement along  the Seward  Highway appear  to have                                                               
changed drivers' attitudes.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
12:36:26 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON surmised  that the extra manpower  has decreased the                                                               
rate of fatalities on the Highway Safety Corridors.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS agreed.   He stated that currently  fewer deaths are                                                               
attributed to highway accidents on  Alaska's roads.  He said that                                                               
the  department is  on track  to continue  to reduce  fatalities,                                                               
which  he  attributed to  the  additional  funding and  education                                                               
efforts taken.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
12:37:40 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.   RICHARDS  highlighted   bridge  deficiencies   [slide  13].                                                               
Bridges are damaged when bridge  trusses are hit by vehicles that                                                               
exceed  the  maximum  height restrictions  and  the  DOT&PF  must                                                               
immediately repair  the bridge  for safety  reasons.   The DOT&PF                                                               
must  also   inspect  bridges   annually  to   identify  deferred                                                               
maintenance or other  safety items and provide  repairs to insure                                                               
safe travel.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
12:38:52 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS, in  response to  Chair Wilson,  answered that  the                                                               
DOT&PF does  not track the  number of bridges that  need repairs,                                                               
but does track  the amount of square footage of  bridge deck from                                                               
structurally deficient  to an  improved status.   He said  he did                                                               
not have that figure with him.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
JEFF   OTTESEN,  Director,   Division  of   Program  Development,                                                               
Department  of  Transportation   &  Public  Facilities  (DOT&PF),                                                               
stated that  the division has  made significant progress  in this                                                               
area.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON stated that she did not need an answer immediately.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS related  that  the maintenance  needs  for ruts  in                                                               
roadways  just in  the Central  Region alone  costs $286  million                                                               
[slide 14].   He  remarked that the  work the  committee recently                                                               
observed on  the Glenn Highway  and Minnesota Bypass  has reduced                                                               
some  of  the  department's  pavement   resurfacing  needs.    He                                                               
recalled discovering ruts almost  an inch and three-quarters deep                                                               
in  one intersection  in  Spenard during  yesterday's  tour.   He                                                               
remarked the  he DOT&PF  needs to work  smarter, such  as install                                                               
rut resistant pavement that ultimately will need fewer repairs.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS  related  the   problems  caused  by  environmental                                                               
warming  [slide 15].    He  explained that  the  DOT&PF has  been                                                               
observing  permafrost settling,  and  the  ensuing frost  heaves,                                                               
which ultimately  lead to cracks  in the roadway, visible  in the                                                               
photograph  in  this slide.    Alaska  is currently  experiencing                                                               
heavier rain  which causes more  erosion as well as  effects from                                                               
adjacent rivers  and streams.   Additionally, the  communities in                                                               
the  coastal regions  in Western  Alaska  continue to  experience                                                               
extensive erosion  from fall  sea storms  no longer  protected by                                                               
ice.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS  provided  an overview  of  new  federal  Municipal                                                               
Separate  Strom Sewer  System  (MS4)  Permit requirements  [slide                                                               
16].  These  requirements apply to the  Municipality of Anchorage                                                               
(MOA) and  will require  more street  sweeping than  ever before.                                                               
He highlighted that this spring  the DOT&PF had problems with the                                                               
funding contract  for street sweeping  and was unable  to perform                                                               
all  of  the  street  sweeping.     The  federal  government  has                                                               
increased requirements for street sweeping  of all streets in the                                                               
MOA by June 1st.  Previously  the DOT&PF's goal has been to sweep                                                               
the streets once.   Now street sweeping must occur  twice a month                                                               
on  high frequency  streets  and once  a  month on  mid-frequency                                                               
roads  and  only the  initial  sweeping  on low-frequency  roads.                                                               
This will all come at a cost, he said.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
12:42:12 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS, in  response to Chair Wilson,  explained the reason                                                               
for the federal  changes is due to provisions in  the Clean Water                                                               
Act.   As the  transportation asset owner,  the DOT&PF  must take                                                               
action to  prevent inhibiting, polluting, or  degrading waters of                                                               
the U.S.  The department must  take action to prevent sand placed                                                               
on  the road  for surface  friction in  the winter  from entering                                                               
streams and  degrading water quality.   In addition  to sweeping,                                                               
the DOT&PF  must clean storm  drains and  work with the  MOA, who                                                               
must also meet these same  requirements, and develop digital maps                                                               
to illustrate  water flow.   The DOT&PF  must also  build covered                                                               
facilities for its sand storage  to prevent the sand from washing                                                               
into streams.   He estimated the  cost in Anchorage to  cover the                                                               
sand  at  the  Tudor  facility and  the  satellite  stockpile  at                                                               
Birchwood at $10 million.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS, in  response to  Chair Wilson,  answered that  the                                                               
state  will   be  required  to   comply  with  the   new  federal                                                               
requirements by 2012.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE  KELLY, Alaska  State Legislature,  asked for                                                               
the  impact  on  the  state  for  failing  to  meet  the  federal                                                               
requirements.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS understood that  the Environmental Protection Agency                                                               
(EPA)  will  not reveal  the  specific  amount of  any  potential                                                               
fines,  but the  EPA  can fine  up  to $37,500  per  day and  can                                                               
legally prosecute the  chief executive officer of  the DOT&PF for                                                               
non-compliance.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
12:45:02 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS  related that street sweeping  is currently budgeted                                                               
at  $416,300  but will  increase  to  $2.1  million to  meet  the                                                               
additional  street  sweeping  requirements.   In  response  to  a                                                               
comment, he explained that the permits  will go into effect as of                                                               
September  1, 2009.    Thus,  the DOT&PF  will  need to  commence                                                               
sweeping by  next spring and complete  its work by June  1, 2010.                                                               
In response to Chair Wilson,  he related that the state contracts                                                               
out  street  sweeping and  storm  cleaning  work to  the  private                                                               
sector.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS,  in response to Representative  Munoz, related that                                                               
the federal government does not  provide any assistance to states                                                               
to meet the additional requirements.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON remarked these are "unfunded mandates."                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG asked  whether these  requirements will                                                               
be passed on to the municipalities as unfunded mandates.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS  clarified that the  MOA already must meet  the same                                                               
EPA  requirements.   Thus, the  state is  working in  conjunction                                                               
with the  MOA to  apply for  the necessary  permits.   In further                                                               
response to Representative Gruenberg,  he offered that the DOT&PF                                                               
does   not   pay   for  municipal   street   sweeping   and   the                                                               
responsibility must be absorbed by the  MOA.  He also agreed that                                                               
the MOA has more streets to sweep in Anchorage than the DOT&PF.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
12:47:42 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DOOGAN asked whether the  problem is caused by the                                                               
sand, and if  the municipality does a  good job in May,  if it is                                                               
necessary to  continue to perform street  sweeping activities for                                                               
subsequent summer months.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS  said the  department has  not been  able to  find a                                                               
logical reason for the specifics of  the permit, but the EPA sets                                                               
the frequency  schedule.  In  further response  to Representative                                                               
Doogan,  he  concurred  that  the DOT&PF  will  comply  with  the                                                               
federal government.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS, in response to  Chair Wilson, stated that the state                                                               
does  not  use  salt  alone  for winter  road  maintenance.    He                                                               
provided  details for  winter deicing  and sanding  streets.   In                                                               
Anchorage,  the state  mixes salt  with the  sand to  prevent the                                                               
sand  pile from  freezing.   The  DOT&PF imports  salt from  Baja                                                               
Mexico at a cost of $300  per ton, whereas the DOT&PF can acquire                                                               
sand locally  for about  $12 per  ton.   Other states  have found                                                               
when  they apply  only salt  to  street that  pollution of  their                                                               
waterways is still  an issue due to the chloride  runoff from the                                                               
roadways.   In Southeast Alaska,  the DOT&PF uses a  liquid anti-                                                               
icing containing  chloride but  this chloride  does not  have the                                                               
same  environmental impacts  as  sodium chloride.   However,  the                                                               
chloride deicer  is a relatively expensive  product, he remarked.                                                               
Thus,  the  DOT&PF  uses  chloride  in  areas  with  the  certain                                                               
temperature regimes and also takes  into account storm events for                                                               
frequency of  application.  Currently, in  Fairbanks the chloride                                                               
is also being used at some  intersections.  Some people prefer to                                                               
use  studs  to  create  friction,  but  others  prefer  salt  for                                                               
friction on winter roads.  He  said the DOT&PF is somewhat caught                                                               
in the  middle, but  does the  best it can  to balance  the needs                                                               
while maintaining its budget.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
12:52:16 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS  discussed  the  balance  of  the  Federal  Highway                                                               
Administration Trust Fund, which  provides the state with funding                                                               
for its  program [slide 17].   In 2008 and 2009,  the fund nearly                                                               
went  bankrupt, which  is depicted  by the  blue line  and orange                                                               
lines on  the graph.   It took an Act  of Congress to  infuse the                                                               
fund with  $7 to $8 billion  to make the FHWA  trust fund solvent                                                               
and allow  states to  continue to receive  funding.   He remarked                                                               
that  Mr. Ottesen  will provide  details on  the current  federal                                                               
legislative update.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS  reviewed  the  federal  formula  funds  the  state                                                               
receives for the State  Transportation Improvement Program (STIP)                                                               
[slide 18].   The  chart shown depicts  the challenges  the state                                                               
has seen  with the  federal earmarks  reductions under  the Safe,                                                               
Accountable, Flexible,  Efficient Transportation  Equity Act:   A                                                               
Legacy  for Users  (SAFETEA LU).    He explained  that the  state                                                               
receives formula  funding for the  National Highway  System (NHS)                                                               
the Community  Transportation Program  (CTP), and the  Trails and                                                               
Recreational Access for  Alaska (TRAAC) programs.   The state has                                                               
also created a  preventative maintenance program to  take care of                                                               
surface issues.   He remarked  on the large impact  that earmarks                                                               
has had  on funding  levels in Alaska.   Alaska  received formula                                                               
funds, but since  they were earmarks in  the federal legislation,                                                               
the  earmarked  amounts were  deducted  from  the state's  normal                                                               
formula program.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS  outlined the  state's  general  fund (GF)  capital                                                               
appropriations [slide  19].  He  explained that this  slide shows                                                               
the general  fund appropriations the  DOT&PF has received  in the                                                               
last  decade.   He  pointed  out that  in  FY  2007, the  state's                                                               
general  fund dollars  spiked at  $398.7 million.   Approximately                                                               
$50 million of the appropriations  are for matching funds for the                                                               
federal  dollars from  the FHWA  and  federal aviation  partners.                                                               
Thus,  the amount  remaining for  projects is  very small  unless                                                               
additional capital  appropriations are  made.   He turned  to the                                                               
maintenance  and  operations  (M&O) general  fund  authorizations                                                               
depicted on the graph  [slide 20].  The base line  year is FY 83,                                                               
the  red  line  on  the   bottom  of  the  chart  represents  the                                                               
appropriations, and the top line  in green, which reflects the FY                                                               
83 values  adjusted for inflation.   The DOT&PF is  losing ground                                                               
and is currently  about $50 million "under water"  from where the                                                               
state  would be  if the  state  been inflation  adjusted for  the                                                               
assets the state is responsible to  maintain and operate.  In the                                                               
meantime, the DOT&PF has added  responsibilities to its inventory                                                               
across   the   modal   spectrum  including   ferries,   airports,                                                               
buildings, and highways.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
12:55:59 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DOOGAN asked why FY  83 was selected instead of FY                                                               
85.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS stated he did not  know why FY 83 was selected, that                                                               
the previous administrative director  prepared this chart and the                                                               
data was simply updated.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS recalled  yesterday's discussions  on state  versus                                                               
federally-funded projects [slide 22].   Primarily, the difference                                                               
is in  time and cost  savings, he remarked.   The use  of federal                                                               
funds is significant on large,  complex projects, since following                                                               
the federal  process requires  more time  and money  to construct                                                               
projects [slide 23].   He discussed Trunk Road  in the Matanuska-                                                               
Susitna  Valley  [slide 24].    The  DOT&PF has  considered  this                                                               
project for  several decades.   The work  was initiated  in 1984,                                                               
and right-of-way costs  were estimated at $1.3 million.   The two                                                               
timelines  depict the  changes, with  the blue  line showing  the                                                               
actual timeline  of the  project, and the  green shows  the ideal                                                               
timeline  had the  DOT&PF  followed  the process  and  if it  had                                                               
secured  the  funding  to perform  the  environmental  documents,                                                               
design, and  right-of-way process,  and construction.   The Trunk                                                               
road project was bid this  year, is currently under construction,                                                               
but  from  the initial  cost  estimates  in  1984 to  the  actual                                                               
construction  costs in  2009, the  right-of-way  costs rose  from                                                               
$1.3  million to  $26.5 million,  which  is almost  20 times  the                                                               
original estimate.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
12:58:16 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHANSEN asked  for  the reason  that design  has                                                               
increased so dramatically.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS  surmised that it  is because when in  the right-of-                                                               
way  phase, the  design  phase is  also kept  open  to deal  with                                                               
changes as a result of the right-of-way work.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
12:59:19 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.   RICHARDS   discussed   the  Glenn   Highway/Bragaw   Street                                                               
Interchange  [slide 25].    From the  2005  appropriation to  the                                                               
exchange completion date only took  three years since the project                                                               
was built using general fund funds  instead of federal funds.  He                                                               
speculated  that if  the  project had  been  built using  federal                                                               
funds the project would likely still be in the EIS phase.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.   RICHARDS  reviewed   the  current   Surface  Transportation                                                               
Authorization bill  drafted by  U.S. Representative  Jim Oberstar                                                               
and  the U.S.  Transportation committee.   He  offered that  this                                                               
bill  will   be  vastly  different  than   any  previous  highway                                                               
authorization bill.   He explained  that the funding  reliance is                                                               
on highways and  is geared to the largest  100 metropolitan areas                                                               
at the  expense of  rural areas.   The state  finds that  many of                                                               
decision-making aspects  of the  bill would  be shifted  from the                                                               
state on state-owned highways to non-state entities.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS continued.   He explained there  will be significant                                                               
non-construction costs as the current  focus in the authorization                                                               
bill is to  shift focus on planning, data  collection, and public                                                               
processes.    The  federal  bill   will  preclude  new  roads  or                                                               
expanding  capacity, such  as adding  a lane.   It  will add  new                                                               
national offices,  such as the  Office of Livability,  the Office                                                               
of Sustainability,  the Office of Expedited  Delivery, and Office                                                               
of  Public  Benefit.   These  new  offices  would reside  in  the                                                               
Secretary  of   Transportation  and   FHWA.     Thus,  additional                                                               
processes will  be put into  place.  Additionally, the  bill will                                                               
include   performance  measures,   such   as  the   International                                                               
Roughness  Index  (IRI),  ride  quality,  and  other  performance                                                               
measures across the modal spectrum.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS, in  response to Chair Wilson,  explained that there                                                               
will not be any funding  for the Denali Commission Transportation                                                               
Program, which was authorized in the previous bill.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS continued [slide 28].   He said that Alaska will not                                                               
be eligible for approximately 20 percent  of funds due to its low                                                               
population.  The  top 20 percent of the  proposed federal funding                                                               
will be  designated for high  speed rail,  intercity connections,                                                               
and freight corridors.   The proposed federal  funding will shift                                                               
to urban  areas, such as  the Metropolitan  Planning Organization                                                               
(MPO) with populations  greater than 500,000.   Since Alaska does                                                               
not  have any  MPO  cities over  500,000 the  state  will not  be                                                               
eligible  for  the funding.    The  DOT&PF  is working  with  the                                                               
Governor's Washington  D.C. office  in so  Alaska's Congressional                                                               
Delegation can fight for Alaska.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS briefed members on  the status of the American Clean                                                               
Energy  Security Act  of  2009,  which has  passed  the House  of                                                               
Representatives [slide 29].   This Act will  shift federal policy                                                               
toward  major reductions  in greenhouse  gases in  the U.S.   The                                                               
federal goal  is to  reach an 83  percent reduction  of passenger                                                               
vehicle emissions  by 2050.   He remarked  that this will  have a                                                               
large impact on  U.S. citizens.  He clarified that  this is for a                                                               
reduction  in overall  emissions.   In essence,  this Act  shifts                                                               
transportation   policies   to   the   federal   regulators,   in                                                               
particular, grants  responsibility to the EPA  to review projects                                                               
in terms of greenhouse gas (GHG) reductions.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:05:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS,   in  response  to   Chair  Wilson,   offered  his                                                               
understanding the  federal law  will require  individual projects                                                               
to  demonstrate  that  greenhouse   gas  emissions  will  not  be                                                               
increased and would show a net decrease overall instead.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS expressed concern that  the greenhouse gas reduction                                                               
under the  bill is  at odds  with construction  of a  natural gas                                                               
pipeline  or any  supporting  facilities in  Alaska.   While  the                                                               
natural gas pipeline  goal is to reduce reliance  on fossil fuels                                                               
and  reduce emissions,  the construction  phase will  not do  so.                                                               
Thus,  the project  may not  get built,  he said.   The  EPA will                                                               
certify  all emissions  plans and  ultimately any  transportation                                                               
plans.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:06:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.   RICHARDS  continued   [slide  31].     He   explained  that                                                               
transportation greenhouse gas emissions  plans could include user                                                               
fees or increase  taxes on carbon based fuels,  and are federally                                                               
mandated for land  use and zoning.  The federal  bill will reduce                                                               
funds  for roads  and increase  funds for  sidewalks and  trails.                                                               
Thus, this  bill could have  a broad-ranging impact  on Americans                                                               
and Alaskans and  will soon be considered in the  U.S. Senate, he                                                               
said.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS  provided an  update  on  the  status of  the  ARRA                                                               
(stimulus) funds  [slide 32].   With respect to the  $175 million                                                               
for the  federal highway and  bridge program, the DOT&PF  has met                                                               
the first  deadline to  obligate $121 million,  or 50  percent of                                                               
the funds by June  29, 2009.  The DOT&PF's focus  has been to use                                                               
the money in economically distressed  areas, even though this was                                                               
only  a  guideline rather  than  a  mandate.   The  remaining  33                                                               
percent must be  obligated in the next four months,  and staff is                                                               
currently  diligently working  to meet  the schedule  while still                                                               
adhering  to the  federal guidelines.   Additionally,  the DOT&PF                                                               
has obligated  the $9.4 million  for transit, and  the department                                                               
is currently  issuing individual  transit grants  to communities.                                                               
Additionally, the DOT&PF has five  to six projects under contract                                                               
for the $75.8 million in aviation funds.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:09:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  asked how much  of the $9.4  in transit                                                               
funding is designated for Anchorage projects.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS answered that Anchorage  received $24 million direct                                                               
from the FHWA  bypassing the DOT&PF.  He offered  that the lion's                                                               
share went  to the Alaska  Railroad Corporation (ARRC),  with the                                                               
remaining funds was disbursed to  the MOA to be used specifically                                                               
for transit-related projects.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DOOGAN  asked  whether  the  department  had  any                                                               
"shovel-ready" but unfunded transportation projects.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:10:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS  explained   that  the  Governor's  transportation-                                                               
related ARRA  funding bill  contained the  DOT&PF's approximately                                                               
$300  million  of  projects which  were  "shovel-ready."    These                                                               
projects   were  identified   as  ones   that  met   the  federal                                                               
guidelines.  Under  the ARRA, states must  obligate their funding                                                               
before February 2010.   Initially, the DOT&PF compiled  a list of                                                               
$175  million  in projects,  then  created  a secondary  list  of                                                               
contingency projects that met  the same eligibility requirements,                                                               
in case any  of the primary projects had issues  and could not be                                                               
obligated.    The list  was  rearranged  through the  legislative                                                               
process,  and   the  DOT&PF  was   authorized  $175   million  in                                                               
appropriations.   Subsequently,  some bids  came in  under budget                                                               
and  the  department  sought and  received  additional  authority                                                               
during  the  legislative  interim  to  proceed  with  contingency                                                               
projects before the Legislative Budget and Audit Committee.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS,  in  further response  to  Representative  Doogan,                                                               
explained that the DOT&PF develops  projects for inclusion in the                                                               
STIP  in   anticipation  of  future  funding.     Thus,  projects                                                               
previously  authorized for  design  were on  their list  awaiting                                                               
construction  dollars.   The DOT&PF  has had  less funding  since                                                               
federal earmarks  have been eliminated.   Thus, the DOT&PF  has a                                                               
backlog of projects ready to  construct.  He remarked that during                                                               
the  2005  -  2009  period  construction  costs  escalated  at  a                                                               
substantial rate.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  understood that the  state might be able  to obtain                                                               
additional funding  destined for other states  unable to obligate                                                               
the  funds.   She asked  whether the  DOT&PF has  enough projects                                                               
ready  to  absorb  any  additional  projects  that  might  become                                                               
available.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS related the department  had hoped other states would                                                               
not be able  to meet the obligation deadline of  June, because if                                                               
that had happened Alaska could  have picked up additional federal                                                               
ARRA funding.  However, every state  was able to meet the initial                                                               
obligation deadline.   He predicted  that other states  will also                                                               
meet the  next deadline of February  2010 well in advance  of the                                                               
deadline date.  Further, the  Congressional rescissions will have                                                               
a  huge  impact  on  projects because  hundreds  of  millions  in                                                               
projects will  not be  funded.  Thus,  states have  incentives to                                                               
capture all possible federal funding  for existing projects.  The                                                               
anticipated  $8  billion  in federal  funds  is  urgently  needed                                                               
nationwide to fund construction  projects.  The DOT&PF constantly                                                               
monitors project  bids so in  the event  that bids come  in lower                                                               
than expected  other projects can  be substituted so long  as the                                                               
projects meet the federal criteria.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:16:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS, in  response to Senator Menard,  responded that the                                                               
costs  for  adding  a  carpool  lane  depends  on  many  factors,                                                               
including  whether the  state  owns the  right-of-way  or if  any                                                               
environmental  issues  must  be addressed.    Additional  factors                                                               
include  the bidding  environment, and  the cost  of construction                                                               
materials.   He  offered  to  provide the  estimated  costs of  a                                                               
carpool lane for the Glenn Highway  to the committee.  In further                                                               
response  to  Senator  Menard,  he indicated  he  was  unsure  of                                                               
whether  the DOT&PF  has  addressed carpool  lanes  on the  Glenn                                                               
Highway  recently.   He recalled  that the  ARRA transit  dollars                                                               
were spent to add carpool  lanes in order to encourage additional                                                               
carpooling  between   Anchorage  and   the  communities   in  the                                                               
Matanuska-Susitna Borough.  The department  has also expanded the                                                               
existing  Park-and-Ride lots  to  help reduce  congestion on  the                                                               
Glenn   Highway   between   the  Matanuska-Susitna   Valley   and                                                               
Anchorage.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS reviewed  the DOT&PF's  ARRA oversight  [slide 33].                                                               
He explained the ARRA funding  will receive greater scrutiny from                                                               
the Federal Aviation Administration  (FAA) including plan set and                                                               
contractor  payment  reviews to  insure  that  states follow  all                                                               
provisions  of  federal  law.     Further,  one  additional  ARRA                                                               
requirement  is that  the  DOT&PF must  increase  the number  and                                                               
level  of  reports  and  provide  the  information  in  different                                                               
formats  for various  agencies.   He expressed  concern that  the                                                               
Congress  will enjoy  the  expanded reporting  so  much the  same                                                               
reporting requirements will be adopted  in the next authorization                                                               
bill.  If so, the bureaucracy  will likely grow with the process,                                                               
he stated.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MUNOZ  expressed  concern with  the  new  federal                                                               
requirements,   in   particular,   the  effect   that   the   new                                                               
requirements will  have on rural  states like Alaska.   She asked                                                               
whether the administration has  identified the cumulative effects                                                               
and communicated  with the federal government  the difficulty for                                                               
smaller populated states to comply.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS  related  that the  DOT&PF  Commissioner  routinely                                                               
meets with  Governor Parnell to  brief him on any  challenges and                                                               
also communicates  with the Governor's Washington  D.C. office on                                                               
federal legislation.   He was  unsure of  specific communications                                                               
from Governor Parnell to the federal agencies.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:22:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS,  in response to Representative  Johansen, suggested                                                               
that  the  DOT&PF  avoids  re-design of  projects,  but  is  also                                                               
constrained by the  STIP to be fiscally responsible.   The DOT&PF                                                               
is challenged to design projects  that the department anticipates                                                               
will be funded.  Typically,  environmental documents are the ones                                                               
that become stale and must be  refreshed.  If the department were                                                               
to  receive additional  general fund  appropriations, the  DOT&PF                                                               
could  construct projects  more quickly  and avoid  stale project                                                               
components.    He  offered  that Mr.  Ottesen  will  discuss  the                                                               
specifics of the  STIP and will also cover the  new federal rules                                                               
for  fiscal constraint,  responsibility,  and project  completion                                                               
mandates that  are required once  projects reach a  certain point                                                               
in the  construction process.   The DOT&PF currently  has pending                                                               
projects  that are  not funded  by the  ARRA and  will likely  be                                                               
completed with  the next  Federal Highway  Administration funding                                                               
bill.  If so, these  projects will help keep contractors employed                                                               
and  improve the  state's highway  system.   The  DOT&PF must  be                                                               
careful  to not  place too  much emphasis  on funding  the design                                                               
phase   of  projects,   which  might   result  in   future  slack                                                               
construction years, he stated.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:26:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS, in  response to  Representative Johansen,  related                                                               
the  STIP identifies  projects that  are  ready for  construction                                                               
funding in the next fiscal year.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS  deferred the question  of shifting  projects within                                                               
the  STIP  projects to  Mr.  Ottesen.    In further  response  to                                                               
Representative Johansen, he explained  that the DOT&PF identifies                                                               
buildable projects  and places  them in  the STIP.   If  for some                                                               
reason  a STIP  project encounters  impediments for  funding, the                                                               
DOT&PF would  discuss the  project internally  and also  with the                                                               
community  that expects  the project  to  be built.   The  DOT&PF                                                               
attempts to  keep communities informed  and works  continually to                                                               
improve its communication.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHANSEN  pointed out  that the DOT&PF  could also                                                               
simply decline  to build  a project  when it  reaches a  point of                                                               
needing perpetual redesign work.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:31:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MENARD asked  whether stipulations  can be  made in  the                                                               
Request  for Proposals  (RFP) that  would require  contractors to                                                               
perform any  necessary redesign for up  to ten years in  order to                                                               
allow  the   right-of-way  or   environmental  documents   to  be                                                               
resolved.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS   offered  his  belief  that   consultants  usually                                                               
continue with the  same project unless the  department has reason                                                               
to  terminate the  contract.   He characterized  the department's                                                               
relationship  with  its consultants  as  good.   Once  design  is                                                               
started,  the   DOT&PF's  goal  is  to   reach  construction  and                                                               
considers projects that  cannot be completed as a  failure by the                                                               
department.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MENARD surmised  that almost  all  legislators can  cite                                                               
instances in  which projects  have been  designed and  not built.                                                               
She expressed  her appreciation for  Mr. Richard's  sentiments on                                                               
the DOT&PF's goals.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS, in  response  to Chair  Wilson,  answered that  an                                                               
Environmental  Impact Statement  (EIS) is  generally satisfactory                                                               
for about three to four  years although the environmental process                                                               
is under federal control.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHANSEN  offered his belief that  projects can be                                                               
drawn out for many years.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:34:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 1:34 p.m. to 1:42 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:42:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  relayed that the  next portion of  the presentation                                                               
will focus on potential funding mechanisms.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
KATHIE  WASSERMAN, Executive  Director,  Alaska Municipal  League                                                               
(AML),  stated  that  the  AML  gave  its  contractor  a  set  of                                                               
questions   and  objectives,   with  respect   to  transportation                                                               
infrastructure.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. WASSERMAN  suggested that Alaska's economy  is more dependent                                                               
on resource  extraction more  than some other  states.   The FHWA                                                               
funding became depleted and the  federal government provided only                                                               
a one-year  stopgap.  She  cautioned that states  cannot continue                                                               
to  fund one  year at  a  time.   A  large gap  has been  created                                                               
between donor states and recipient  states, with the donor states                                                               
providing  more  money  to  the   federal  government  than  they                                                               
receive.  However,  Alaska is a state that does  not provide much                                                               
but receives a large amount, she  stated.  Thus, other states and                                                               
the federal government  are beginning to scrutinize  Alaska.  The                                                               
federal  government has  begun  to place  a  greater emphasis  on                                                               
tolls and  other means  for states  to become  more self-reliant.                                                               
Additionally,  Alaska must  fight  the perception  by some  other                                                               
states that since  it has plenty of oil revenues  Alaska does not                                                               
need federal funding.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:49:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. WASSERMAN  related that the  contractor's objectives  were to                                                               
identify  trends  and  changes in  funding  priorities,  evaluate                                                               
future funding  factors and strategies,  and to  evaluate funding                                                               
and financial  tools.   Alaska is  the only  state that  does not                                                               
have  dedicated  revenues for  transportation.    The 2006  gross                                                               
state product  (GSP) for Alaska's transportation  funding is 0.15                                                               
percent,  which  is the  fourth  lowest  in  the country.    When                                                               
federal funding  is also  included, the  transportation spending,                                                               
as a percentage of the  gross product, increases to 1.94 percent,                                                               
which places Alaska in the top  ten in the nation for reliance on                                                               
federal funding.   Thus, while the state is ranked  at the bottom                                                               
for the  amount of  state funding,  it is ranked  at the  top for                                                               
federal funding.   Transit services  are not  generally federally                                                               
funded and  are usually performed  by local communities  and non-                                                               
profits.  The current surface  transportation gap is $533 million                                                               
for  highways and  bridges,  $20 million  for  rural streets  and                                                               
roads, $32 million  for public transit, and $135  million for the                                                               
AMHS, which totals $720 million in overall transportation needs.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.   WASSERMAN   stated   that   highway   maintenance   remains                                                               
underfunded  and the  backlog of  needs is  over three  times the                                                               
level  of spending  of  annual highway  maintenance  fees at  the                                                               
state  level, which  does not  include  transit, aviation,  local                                                               
roads,  or transportation  capacity needs  to meet  future travel                                                               
demand growth.   The AML's  contractor surmised that if  the road                                                               
transportation maintenance needs were  to directly keep pace with                                                               
the price of oil the state might be okay, but it does not do so.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. WASSERMAN compared  how Alaska fares with  other states, with                                                               
respect to the  GSP with current federal spending.   Alaska ranks                                                               
below  other rural  remote  states such  as  North Dakota,  South                                                               
Dakota, Montana,  and also ranks  below West Virginia.   However,                                                               
comparing Alaska's total spending,  excluding federal dollars, to                                                               
other states, Alaska is the fourth  lowest in the nation.  Alaska                                                               
is  severely impacted  by federal  spending  and without  federal                                                               
funding, the state  plummets.  The current  and projected account                                                               
balances  of  specific  funding,  which  reflects  the  share  of                                                               
funding from  donor states has  increased and is projected  at 95                                                               
percent.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WASSERMAN noted  that fees  from tolls  must become  a major                                                               
part of  the state's  funding since  earmarks are  now considered                                                               
negative.    The  federal  government  continues  to  shift  more                                                               
responsibility  for   transportation  to  the  states   or  local                                                               
governments.   She  listed Alaska's  challenges  when asking  the                                                               
Congress  for additional  funding: the  permanent dividend  fund,                                                               
absence of  a state  income or  state sales  tax, and  the lowest                                                               
motor fuel tax in the country.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. WASSERMAN  described several  scenarios that  the legislature                                                               
may wish to  consider.  The AML study demonstrated  the amount of                                                               
money  raised  by  each  scenario.    The  first  scenario  would                                                               
increase the  fuel tax, institute  a sales tax, increase  a sales                                                               
tax on  vehicles, and would  increase vehicle  registration fees.                                                               
The first scenario would fill a  gap of $151 million only leaving                                                               
$384 million  to fill.   The second  scenario would  increase the                                                               
fuel  tax  and double  the  vehicle  registration tax,  impose  a                                                               
vehicle  sales   tax  of  1.5  percent,   would  encourage  local                                                               
jurisdictions  to  impose a  1.5  percent  sales tax,  and  would                                                               
capitalize the Alaska Transportation Fund  with $1 billion.  This                                                               
scenario would fill  the transportation gap to  $292 million, she                                                               
said.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WASSERMAN described  a third  scenario which  would increase                                                               
each  of the  previously mentioned  items  a bit  more and  would                                                               
assume  that the  state would  reinstitute the  Roads and  Trails                                                               
Program.   The third  scenario would  also fill  the gap  to $292                                                               
million.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WASSERMAN  concluded  by stating  that  the  AML  membership                                                               
believes the legislature must consider  raising taxes to meet the                                                               
state's  transportation needs.   While  the AML  has not  taken a                                                               
stance on  any of the  scenarios previously highlighted,  the AML                                                               
membership recommends  that the  legislature consider them.   The                                                               
state needs  to do something  and do  it soon before  the federal                                                               
government simply decides to diminish  its funding in Alaska, she                                                               
stated.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:57:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHANSEN asked  whether  the AML  has selected  a                                                               
scenario,   and   whether   all   the   scenarios   to   increase                                                               
transportation funding include increases in taxes.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. WASSERMAN  clarified the AML  has not selected a  scenario to                                                               
support,  but  agreed  that  all  the  funding  sources  outlined                                                               
increased  taxes.     In   further  response   to  Representative                                                               
Johansen,  she  related  that  the  AML  wanted  to  begin  start                                                               
somewhere  but  also  did  not   envision  any  of  the  proposed                                                               
scenarios would  raise the  $1 billion needed.   She  opined that                                                               
temporarily repealing the state fuel  tax was not the best option                                                               
to have  taken, given  the number  of the  state's transportation                                                               
projects needed.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHANSEN  pointed out  the proposed  AML scenarios                                                               
would  address  a small  fraction  of  the DOT&PF  transportation                                                               
funding needs.   He inquired  as to whether other  proposals were                                                               
also considered.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WASSERMAN responded  that many  options were  discussed, but                                                               
nothing was agreed upon by all  members.  She explained that some                                                               
people discussed  the constitutional budget reserve  (CBR) or the                                                               
Alaska   Permanent   Fund   as    potential   options   to   fund                                                               
transportation needs.  However, AML did  not take a stance on any                                                               
options since its membership could not agree on solutions.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHANSEN  suggested that the legislature  may want                                                               
AML  to  contemplate  other  options  and  suggest  them  to  the                                                               
legislature.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:01:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG asked  whether the  AML membership  has                                                               
taken  a position  on the  lawsuit regarding  the state's  cruise                                                               
ship head tax.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WASSERMAN  said that  it  has  not  formally met  since  the                                                               
lawsuit was  announced although she  anticipated the AML  will be                                                               
discussing the issue  at future meetings since  its membership is                                                               
comprised of many coastal communities.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  surmised that the cruise  ship head tax                                                               
litigation  will affect  all  communities  regardless of  whether                                                               
their interests  are the same.   He  suggested that the  AML give                                                               
consideration to  the matter and  keep the  legislature informed.                                                               
He related  that pre-litigation  process is  underway and  so the                                                               
AML should weigh in now as this process will affect the outcome.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:03:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DOOGAN appreciated the work  the AML has done, but                                                               
stressed that  the AML cannot  only canvas for options,  but must                                                               
take a firm position on the solutions.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WASSERMAN said  the AML  typically takes  that approach  and                                                               
intends to do so.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:06:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MUNOZ  asked how  Alaska  compares  to the  other                                                               
states  in terms  of  its  use of  general  fund  monies to  fund                                                               
transportation needs.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:08:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JIM REED,  Transportation Program  Director, National  Council of                                                               
State  Legislatures  (NCSL),  stated  that he  would  discuss  an                                                               
overview of  the SAFETEA-LU  funding bill,  current Congressional                                                               
activity  on  the  proposed authorization  bill,  the  impact  on                                                               
Alaska, and state revenue issues [slide 2].                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  REED  reviewed SAFETEA-LU  funding  levels  [slide 3].    He                                                               
explained  that the  SAFETEA-LU  funding expired  last year,  and                                                               
provided  $286.4  billion  over   six  years  for  transportation                                                               
funding.   He further  explained that  $244 billion  was provided                                                               
from 2005  - 2009, including  $189.5 for highways,  $45.3 billion                                                               
for  public   transportation,  $5.6  billion   for  highway/motor                                                               
carrier safety, the $3.6 billion  exempted from obligation limits                                                               
for emergency relief,  the Equity Bonus Program,  and for certain                                                               
projects funded prior  to 1998.  Part of  the SAFETEA-LU included                                                               
a  Safe Routes  to School  Program and  the New  Freedom Program,                                                               
which is a new public  transportation program to help communities                                                               
with  funding for  persons with  disabilities.   He offered  that                                                               
many have  called the funding  bill a  place-holder authorization                                                               
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. REED provided an overview  of SAFETEA-LU financing, which was                                                               
primarily  reauthorized by  SAFETEA-LU.   Many states  have taken                                                               
advantage of innovative  programs which has been  very helpful in                                                               
obtaining supplementing  funding.  The State  Infrastructure Bank                                                               
Program   was   expanded  to   all   50   states,  which   allows                                                               
capitalization with  federal funds  and is basically  a revolving                                                               
fund.   This program tends  to be  used for smaller  projects but                                                               
has  been helpful  in some  states, such  as in  Ohio, which  has                                                               
issued 400 loans over a period of eight or ten years.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:13:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG asked  whether  the Congress  typically                                                               
will continue the one-month extension to prevent a gap.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. REED answered  yes.  He recalled the  last authorization bill                                                               
had six or seven extensions prior  to passage of SAFETEA-LU.  The                                                               
only  problem  with  this  approach   is  that  it  is  the  same                                                               
authorization and  for the same funding  levels.  In the  past 20                                                               
years,  the authorization  has never  lapsed,  but if  it did  it                                                               
would pose a serious problem, he said.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  REED, in  response to  Representative Doogan,  answered that                                                               
the  funding levels  previously  mentioned  represent the  entire                                                               
authorization.  Thus, the figures  including the rescissions, for                                                               
example, the  $8.6 currently being  considered for  rescinding is                                                               
part  of  the $286.4  billion.    He  explained that  the  $286.4                                                               
billion is for the authorized  amount, but the appropriators will                                                               
then  complete  their   work  and  provide  the   funding.    The                                                               
rescissions  return funds  that have  not yet  been obligated  or                                                               
appropriated yet either, he said.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. REED discussed the  Transportation Infrastructure Finance and                                                               
Innovation  Act (TIFIA)  [slide  4].   The  TIFIA  has become  an                                                               
important tool  because it is  a flexible way to  obtain funding.                                                               
For example, Florida did not have  enough funds to complete an I-                                                               
95  expansion,  but worked  out  an  arrangement with  a  private                                                               
company along  with obtaining  a TIFIA loan  for $600  million to                                                               
complete funding  for the $4  billion project.  The  advantage of                                                               
TIFIA loans  is the flexibility  they provide since  repayment of                                                               
the   loans   happens  five   years   after   the  projects   are                                                               
substantially completed.   The facilities are assumed  to be toll                                                               
facilities so  the money  can be  repaid.   He remarked  that the                                                               
stimulus  bill, the  ARRA, put  an additional  $200 million  into                                                               
TIFIA.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  REED identified  Private Activity  Bonds as  municipal bonds                                                               
that have  expanded bonding authority for  private purposes, such                                                               
as  industrial  expansion  to  bring  economic  activity  to  the                                                               
community and are repaid from  revenue generated by the facility.                                                               
The cap was raised in order  to make it easier for transportation                                                               
facilities.   Additionally, SAFETEA-LU provided  states increased                                                               
flexibility to use tolling for proposed projects.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  REED discussed  the policy  issues  with SAFETEA-LU  traffic                                                               
safety [slide 5].  He said  that a new Highway Safety Improvement                                                               
Program,  which  includes  highway improvements  with  a  traffic                                                               
safety purpose, was  funded at the $1.4 billion level.   The bill                                                               
also  includes  a number  of  grants  to provide  incentives  for                                                               
occupant  protection  such as  child  safety  and booster  seats.                                                               
Some laws  also created sanctions, generally  relating to driving                                                               
while under the influence of alcohol or drugs.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:19:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG asked  whether any  federal legislation                                                               
that pertains to a ban on text messaging is under consideration.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  REED recalled  that some  legislation is  being contemplated                                                               
for  anti-texting laws  and 18  states  have already  implemented                                                               
such  laws.   He  surmised  the  NCSL's  position would  be  that                                                               
progress is  being made  since some  states have  already enacted                                                               
anti-text laws,  it is unnecessary  to create a  federal mandate.                                                               
However,  some national  interest  has been  expressed for  anti-                                                               
texting  laws  and  one  topic  at  a  White  House  summit  just                                                               
completed today wrestled with the  problem of distracted drivers,                                                               
including  government  officials.    At this  time,  the  federal                                                               
agencies  have  not  weighed  in  on  specific  requirements  for                                                               
states, he said.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:21:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  REED noted  that  U.S. Representative  Oberstar's [MN]  bill                                                               
added   some  additional   sanctions  or   incentives,  including                                                               
provisions for  changes to  primary seat  belts, use  of ignition                                                               
interlocks  for  repeat  DUI   offenders,  and  driver's  license                                                               
suspension for  drug offenders.   Again, the NCSL's view  is that                                                               
each  state must  review  and decide  the  pace for  implementing                                                               
these laws.   He understood  the federal government's  view since                                                               
lives are  currently being lost, that  some preventative measures                                                               
need to be taken.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:22:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. REED reviewed the  SAFETEA-LU Environmental and Congressional                                                               
activity [slides 6  - 7].  He stated some  requirements have been                                                               
made to  MPOs to bring  in environmental factors in  the planning                                                               
stage.  In  the past few years several  studies, commissions, and                                                               
task  forces have  examined national  transportation policies  in                                                               
the  U.S.   Several  extensive reports,  as  well as  independent                                                               
analysis,  agreed   that  the  U.S.   needs  a  new   vision  for                                                               
transportation  since  the  Interstate   Highway  System  is  now                                                               
completed.   Another  area of  general consensus  is the  need to                                                               
integrate between the  modes of transportation to  make it easier                                                               
for passengers and commercial activity  to connect.  The sense is                                                               
that the U.S.  Transportation policy should not  be considered in                                                               
a vacuum  but, instead, should  be considered in terms  of health                                                               
and  energy  polices  since  changes   in  one  policy  area  can                                                               
adversely affect policy in other  areas.  One conclusion has been                                                               
that more  funding is needed  in the system  since transportation                                                               
has  been underfunded  for  some time.    Metropolitan areas  are                                                               
congested  and rural  areas are  not well-served  by the  highway                                                               
conditions.   One traffic  safety finding is  that 60  percent of                                                               
the deaths  occur on  rural highways so  improvements need  to be                                                               
made.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  REED  related since  President  Obama's  focus has  been  on                                                               
health  care   that  other  measures,   including  transportation                                                               
measures,  have  been  moving more  slowly  through  the  system.                                                               
However, this  bill will  likely surface  and the  bill's sponsor                                                               
hopes to provide $450 billion  over six years, with an additional                                                               
$50  billion  in anticipated  funds  for  high-speed rail,  which                                                               
totals $500  billion.   He reviewed  the anticipated  breakout in                                                               
U.S.  Representative  Oberstar's  proposed  transportation  bill:                                                               
$337 billion  for highway construction,  including at  least $100                                                               
billion for  Capital Asset Investment,  $12.6 billion  in Highway                                                               
And Motor  Carrier Safety,  $87.6 billion  from the  Mass Transit                                                               
Account of  the Highway  Trust Fund, and  $12.2 billion  from the                                                               
General Fund for  Public Transit Investment.   He highlighted the                                                               
challenge remaining is  that the funding source has  not yet been                                                               
identified.  He  has been made aware that the  motor fuel tax and                                                               
other fees  would only  generate $350 billion  over the  six year                                                               
period.  Thus,  a shortfall of $150 billion exists.   He remarked                                                               
that  U.S. Representative  Oberstar  and President  Obama do  not                                                               
currently support an increase in the motor fuel tax.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:26:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. REED continued his discussion  of the Congressional activity,                                                               
in terms  of the proposed  transportation authorization  bill, by                                                               
reviewing the  current House of Representatives  proposal [slides                                                               
8 -  9].   He explained  that the proposed  Oberstar bill,  in an                                                               
effort to  consolidate programs, would  pare down the  current 75                                                               
programs to  four core highway  categories and four  core transit                                                               
categories.  The  proposed bill focuses on  congestion relief and                                                               
would  create  a  discretionary  program  to  directly  fund  the                                                               
Metropolitan  Planning Organization  (MPOs).   Additionally,  the                                                               
proposed  bill   contains  a  large   focus  on   livability  and                                                               
environment, and  sustainability of communities, in  an effort to                                                               
merge policies between agencies to create livable communities.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:28:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DOOGAN asked for a definition of "livability."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  REED offered  to research  the issue  further, but  ventured                                                               
that livability is related to  the concept of new urbanism, which                                                               
is to  create a living  environment in  which people can  walk or                                                               
use public  transportation for destinations,  such as to  work or                                                               
grocery stores instead  of using motor vehicles.  The  goal is to                                                               
create  more  densely  populated  areas  instead  of  having  the                                                               
population so  spread out.   He suggested  these goals  might not                                                               
resonate in Alaska  since it is a rural state.   He characterized                                                               
this provision  as an urban or  suburban initiative.  He  said he                                                               
lives in Colorado  so livability for him means  blue skies, clean                                                               
air, and neighbors that do not live too closely.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  REED  revisited his  discussion  of  sanctions or  incentive                                                               
grants [slide  9].   He related that  the current  proposal would                                                               
eliminate  existing incentive  grant  programs  and replace  them                                                               
with  mandates,   such  as  primary  seat   belt  laws,  ignition                                                               
interlock laws,  and revocation of  licenses for  those convicted                                                               
of drug offenses.   He offered that the NCSL is not  a fan of the                                                               
sanctions  since  states  are  moving forward  and  do  not  need                                                               
additional oversight.   The tolling pilots  programs contained in                                                               
SAFETEA-LU would be  removed and would be  replaced by incentives                                                               
and   guidelines   on   tolling.     The   U.S.   Department   of                                                               
Transportation's role would be  expanded with more public-private                                                               
partnerships.   The NCSL would  prefer not to add  another layer,                                                               
he stated.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. REED discussed the National  Infrastructure Bank (NIB) [slide                                                               
10].  He  explained that creation of  the National Infrastructure                                                               
Bank (NIB)  is a  proposal by the  administration and  members of                                                               
Congress  to  provide  a  financing  mechanism  rather  than  new                                                               
funding.   The  NIB  would be  an  independent government  entity                                                               
developed   to  target   large-capacity  building   projects  not                                                               
adequately served  by current funding mechanisms,  and would make                                                               
loans,   insure  bonds,   and   provide  pre-construction   phase                                                               
assistance  to  states.    The suggested  funding  level  is  $60                                                               
billion  over   ten  years;  the  proposal   is  currently  being                                                               
considered by Congress,  and is one that could be  added into any                                                               
authorization proposal or  it can stand alone.   He characterized                                                               
the  NIB as  a potentially  significant source  of borrowing  for                                                               
states.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:33:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. REED reviewed  where Alaska stands in  terms of Congressional                                                               
activity  [slide  11].   He  noted  the  Congressional  one-month                                                               
extension,   but  related   that   the  Senate   and  the   Obama                                                               
administration would  prefer an  18-month extension to  allow the                                                               
recession to end,  and in hopes that the  political climate might                                                               
change  and  be  more  open  to funding  mechanisms  such  as  an                                                               
increase  to the  federal motor  fuel tax.   Currently,  the U.S.                                                               
House of  Representatives passed a three-month  extension to last                                                               
through  the  end  of  the   calendar  year  and  the  Senate  is                                                               
considering a  similar proposal.   The  Senate bill,  authored by                                                               
Senator  Barbara  Boxer  (CA), contains  the  rescission  effort,                                                               
which would  stop the rescission  of $8.7 billion  in unobligated                                                               
funding to  the states.   He surmised  that the next  few highway                                                               
extension bills  may require transfers  from the general  fund to                                                               
the Highway Trust Fund to cover shortfalls.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:35:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. REED interpreted what this  might mean for Alaska [slide 12].                                                               
He offered that there is a  lot of uncertainty at this point, and                                                               
he  anticipated  several  extensions  due to  the  difficulty  in                                                               
identifying  funding  sources.   He  also  predicted Alaska  will                                                               
receive less dedicated  funding in the future,  pointing out that                                                               
SAFETEA-LU  contained  over  a billion  dollars  in  highway  and                                                               
transit set asides.  The  consolidation of federal transportation                                                               
programs  might  be detrimental  to  Alaska,  given the  proposed                                                               
reduction  from 75  programs to  4 programs,  and recalling  that                                                               
some of the programs scheduled  for elimination were specifically                                                               
targeted for Alaska.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. REED turned  to a comparison of average  annual state sources                                                               
of transportation revenue [slide 13].   The NCSL compiled highway                                                               
revenue sources in  other states nationwide from 1999  - 2005 and                                                               
compared them  to Alaska.   The initial percentage refers  to the                                                               
national percentage  of revenue taxes compared  to the percentage                                                               
of revenue generated  in Alaska for various taxes.   The national                                                               
average of  revenue generated from  state motor fuel taxes  is 28                                                               
percent, but in Alaska is 5  percent.  Other states receive about                                                               
27 percent of their revenue  from federal funding, whereas Alaska                                                               
receives  54 percent,  which  highlights  Alaska's dependence  on                                                               
federal funding.   He compared  the national average  of revenues                                                               
generated by vehicle  fee and taxes of 16  percent, with Alaska's                                                               
5  percent vehicle  fee and  tax.   The average  for bonding  and                                                               
borrowing is 12 percent nationally  but is 3.5 percent in Alaska.                                                               
And the national average of tolls  generated in other states is 5                                                               
percent, while in Alaska is 3.2 percent.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  REED remarked  that the  national average  for general  fund                                                               
contributions in other states is  4 percent, but Alaska's general                                                               
fund provides 19.5 percent of its funding.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:39:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. REED  elaborated on  the state responses  to the  revenue gap                                                               
[slide 13].  Some legislative  responses included suggestions for                                                               
states,  including  that  states  should have  more  reliance  on                                                               
general   sales   tax  and   the   general   fund,  should   grow                                                               
transportation funding  by local entities, should  create greater                                                               
efficiency  and   accountability  in   delivering  transportation                                                               
projects, suggested  an increase in public  private partnerships,                                                               
and  an increase  in  the use  of tolling  as  a funding  option.                                                               
States  recognized  the  importance of  transportation  to  their                                                               
economic growth  and the  impacts of  dilapidated roads  on their                                                               
economies.  This year a number  of states gave local entities the                                                               
authority to  vote on local taxes,  such as sales taxes  or motor                                                               
fuel taxes.   He ventured  that some  states with a  heavy urban-                                                               
rural divide  were willing to  raise taxes to provide  for better                                                               
roads.   He recalled  that in  Virginia, the  legislature allowed                                                               
its regions to vote on taxes.   Northern Virginia voted for a tax                                                               
increase  but Southern  Virginia  did not,  and  so the  Virginia                                                               
Supreme  Court  did  not  uphold  the  tax.    States  have  been                                                               
innovative in designing and building  roads and transit projects.                                                               
Also, in  the economic downturn,  states have found  the stimulus                                                               
funding  has stretched  further since  bids have  come in  lower,                                                               
recognizing that  labor costs may  also have had some  bearing on                                                               
the lower bids.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. REED related  that states are borrowing more  and tolling has                                                               
increased  nationally  by  36 percent  over  a  five-year  period                                                               
nationally.   Other  states  cut programs  and  projects or  have                                                               
worked   to   identify   alternatives  for   funding,   including                                                               
developing a  per mile fee,  express lanes, or creating  tolls in                                                               
congested areas.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:43:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. REED  highlighted rural  transportation challenges  in public                                                               
transportation for  disadvantaged [slide  15].  He  remarked that                                                               
public transportation to accommodate the elderly, disabled, low-                                                                
income,  and jobless  people is  more difficult  in rural  areas.                                                               
The  NCSL  is  currently examining  how  existing  transportation                                                               
programs  can work  together to  provide better  service for  the                                                               
transportation  disadvantaged   and  save  money.     In  Alaska,                                                               
challenges   exist  for   multi-modal   travel,  which   includes                                                               
connecting air travel, rail,  public transportation, and ferries.                                                               
Traffic fatalities occur predominantly in rural areas, he added.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  REED  presented  his conclusions  [slide  16].    Additional                                                               
transportation  funding is  needed.   One  study identifies  $225                                                               
billion in unmet needs  in the U.S. for the next  50 years.  Poor                                                               
infrastructure  poses  a  threat  in  the  U.S.  to  many  needs,                                                               
including safety, security, economic  prosperity, and our quality                                                               
of  life.   States cannot  afford to  disinvest, he  said.   Many                                                               
states have bridges in need  of repair or replacement, and states                                                               
need  to tackle  deferred  maintenance.   Transportation  funding                                                               
presents hard choices.  Constituents just  do not want to pay any                                                               
more  taxes, but  as policy  makers,  legislators understand  the                                                               
need and future  benefits.  He recalled that  three states raised                                                               
their motor fuel taxes while others raised vehicle fees.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:47:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON  related  that  the  next  presenter  will  outline                                                               
funding options for a long-range transportation initiative.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
LARRY PERSILY,  Staff, Representative  Mike Hawker,  Alaska State                                                               
Legislature, explained that he compiled  a report for legislators                                                               
to   consider  developing   a  long-term   comprehensive  funding                                                               
mechanism for  a statewide transportation  plan.  He  viewed this                                                               
as a  starting point for legislators  to add to and  develop as a                                                               
handbook to address funding for unmet transportation needs.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:49:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  discussed the need  and the  choices [slide 2].   He                                                               
thanked  Jeff   Ottesen  and  Laura  Baker,   DOT&PF,  and  Deven                                                               
Mitchell,  State Debt  Manager, Department  of Revenue  (DOR) for                                                               
their assistance.   The  starting premise for  this plan  is that                                                               
billions of  dollars worth of  projects are waiting to  be built,                                                               
ranging  from  DOT&PF  to  community   projects.    However,  the                                                               
projects  lack funding.   State  and local  communities hope  for                                                               
high  oil  prices and  large  Capital  Budgets  or look  for  new                                                               
sources of  revenue, such as  a dedicated  motor fuel tax  to pay                                                               
for  these   proposed  projects.    Borrowing   money  is  simply                                                               
shuffling  existing  funds,  since  the  money  usually  must  be                                                               
repaid.  The  legislature could use the Alaska  Permanent Fund or                                                               
the  Constitutional Budget  Reserve,  or could  choose to  divert                                                               
future  royalties to  the transportation  fund.   The legislature                                                               
might  decide that  the Alaska  Permanent Fund  would receive  25                                                               
percent of  the royalties,  the general  fund would  receive 72.5                                                               
percent, and  the remaining  2.5 percent would  be placed  into a                                                               
transportation endowment.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY related  Jeff  Ottesen's  historical perspective  on                                                               
transportation, the way it used to  be [slide 3].  He said, "Long                                                               
ago in  the territorial days,  under the Alaska  Road Commission,                                                               
all able-bodied men, men only, were  required to work two days on                                                               
road building."   Men  could buy  off their time  at $4  per day.                                                               
Many mining communities built their roads  in this way.  While he                                                               
did not  believe anyone was  advocating this approach,  he stated                                                               
that it provided a solution.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY reviewed  state capital  expenditures  for the  past                                                               
decade [slide  3].  He explained  that the list covers  FY 2001 -                                                               
2009  and   includes  DOT&PF  capital  expenditures   for  roads,                                                               
airports,  state  ferries,  ports,   harbors,  and  docks.    The                                                               
expenditures not  included are state grants  to municipalities or                                                               
federal  funding.   State  spending  has  risen with  higher  oil                                                               
prices.  He highlighted that  expenditures are different from the                                                               
appropriations as there  is less fluctuation so  it reflects more                                                               
of an indication of the DOT&PF projects constructed each year.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY,  with respect  to transportation  projects, recalled                                                               
that the  legislature had concerns  either about  overheating the                                                               
economy or  taking on  too many  projects.   He pointed  out that                                                               
expenditures can lag appropriations by two or three years.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY presented DOT&PF Capital  Expenditures by Fiscal Year                                                               
[slide 4], as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     FY2001: $85 million ($27.86 oil)                                                                                           
     FY2002: $100 million ($21.79 oil)                                                                                          
     FY2003: $142 million ($28.16 oil)                                                                                          
     FY2004: $169 million ($32.36 oil)                                                                                          
     FY2005: $150 million ($43.44 oil)                                                                                          
     FY2006: $150 million ($60.80 oil)                                                                                          
     FY2007: $191 million ($61.63 oil)                                                                                          
     FY2008: $290 million ($91.12 oil)                                                                                          
     FY2009: $277 million ($68.34 oil)                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY related that as  oil prices have climbed, the state's                                                               
expenditures have also risen.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY provided DOT&PF Capital  Appropriations [slide 5], as                                                               
follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     FY2008: $830 million (oil at $63.92, April 2007)                                                                           
     FY2009: $1.4 billion (oil at $112.37, April 2008)                                                                          
     FY2010: $867 million (oil at $46.56, April 2009)                                                                           
     FY2010 includes $300 million federal stimulus funds                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     About 10% of FY2010 funding is state:                                                                                      
     Roads, $29 million                                                                                                         
     Airports, $52 million                                                                                                      
     Ferries, $7 million                                                                                                        
     Ports/docks/harbors, $472,000                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  explained the appropriations are  more directly tied                                                               
to  oil  prices.    Thus,  from  FY  2008  -  2009,  the  capital                                                               
appropriations significantly  increased due  to high  oil prices.                                                               
In 2008, the  legislature was working on the FY  2009 budget, but                                                               
the  FY 2010  appropriation is  much  smaller, less  than half  a                                                               
million  for  statewide  ports,  docks,  and  harbors.    Leaving                                                               
appropriations to  the volatility of  oil prices carries  a risk.                                                               
The state  has had some occasional  boosts, such as in  2002 when                                                               
voters approved  $124 million in  general obligation  bonds (GO);                                                               
and  $103  million  in GARVEE  bonds,  which  essentially  allows                                                               
states to spend  federal dollars in advance  of federal receipts.                                                               
In  2006,  the  state  sold  off  future  revenues  from  tobacco                                                               
settlement funds,  which provided $23 million  for transportation                                                               
projects.      In  2008,   voters   approved   $272  million   in                                                               
transportation  bonds for  DOT&PF  projects and  $43 million  for                                                               
municipal projects.   Half  have already been  sold and  the last                                                               
$150 million will be issued next year, he stated.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY  detailed the  expenditure  of  federal dollars,  as                                                               
follows [slide 7] [original punctuation provided]:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
          FY2001: $343 million                                                                                                  
          FY2002: $406 million                                                                                                  
          FY2003: $504 million                                                                                                  
          FY2004: $492 million                                                                                                  
          FY2005: $492 million                                                                                                  
          FY2006: $525 million                                                                                                  
          FY2007: $535 million                                                                                                  
          FY2008: $506 million                                                                                                  
          FY2009: $514 million                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  reminded members  the figures shown  in slide  7 are                                                               
for expenditures  and not appropriations.   But it still  has not                                                               
been enough and the federal  funding has been uncertain, and with                                                               
stop-gap funding  the past few  years by the Congress  - counting                                                               
on  federal  funding for  the  future  is  like counting  on  oil                                                               
prices, he said.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:55:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY,  in  response  to  Representative  Doogan,  offered                                                               
reasons for the doubling of  expenditures in less than ten years:                                                               
Inflation has driven  up costs, and in the 1990s  the state ran a                                                               
budget deficit and the legislature  removed $5.5 billion from the                                                               
CBR.    Thus, the  state's  spending  was very  constrained,  the                                                               
backlog  of  projects  built  up,   and  as  oil  prices  started                                                               
climbing, increased appropriations kept  pace with oil prices and                                                               
have stretched  out projects  this decade.   The DOT&PF  might be                                                               
better  able to  address the  question,  but that  is his  quasi-                                                               
educated answer.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DOOGAN  said  that  a  100  percent  increase  in                                                               
expenditures in  less than ten  years is  a huge increase  by any                                                               
standard.   He asked  for reasons  the state  is facing  a crisis                                                               
with respect to transportation costs.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY deferred to the DOT&PF to answer that question.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:58:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY reviewed  the state's  tax  history [slide  8].   In                                                               
1961, Alaska  had the highest motor  fuel tax in the  nation, but                                                               
it  now has  the lowest  tax in  the nation  at $.08  per gallon.                                                               
About half of  the states have dedicated funds to  use motor fuel                                                               
taxes to  repay revenue bonds.   The  state had a  dedicated fund                                                               
for transportation,  which was abolished  in 1960 [slide 9].   He                                                               
argued that  the state could  appropriate tax receipts  each year                                                               
for projects,  on a cash  basis, or  could pledge taxes  to repay                                                               
debt on  revenue bonds.  Instead  of parceling out money  year to                                                               
year, the  state could decide  to borrow  up front.   The current                                                               
$.08 motor  fuel tax raises $30  million per year and  raises $41                                                               
million,  including  marine and  jet  aviation  fuel taxes.    He                                                               
compared that  to the $39  million the state raises  from alcohol                                                               
taxes,  which falls  considerably short  of the  $74 million  the                                                               
state raises each year from taxing smokers.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:00:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY  reviewed  pros  and  cons of  the  motor  fuel  tax                                                               
options.  The  motor fuel tax is easy to  collect and administer,                                                               
and it does not  require any new program.  There  is a clear link                                                               
between the  users and  the payers.   If the  state used  a motor                                                               
fuel tax  to pay  for transportation, an  option would  exist for                                                               
annual  appropriations or  dedicating the  revenue stream  to pay                                                               
off  bonds,  or   both.    The  revenue   stream  would  continue                                                               
indefinitely  and taxing  ourselves  would  provide the  Congress                                                               
with a  different view of Alaskans,  instead of the one  in which                                                               
Alaskans  expect federal  handouts.   He  related  a scenario  in                                                               
which  the motor  fuel  tax was  doubled to  $.16  per gallon  on                                                               
gasoline and diesel.  If so,  the state could probably issue $400                                                               
million in revenue  bonds, or the state could  issue $600 million                                                               
and pay  a higher  interest rate on  a portion of  the debt.   He                                                               
remarked that the market would not loan out dollar for dollar.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  pointed out reasons  that the motor fuel  tax option                                                               
is bad  [slide 11].  He  stated that consumers will  not like it,                                                               
and  philosophically,  some  are  opposed to  open  the  door  to                                                               
dedicated  funds, since  advocates may  want dedicated  funds for                                                               
education, health care,  or other purposes.  The  crafters of the                                                               
Alaska constitution were  not in favor of dedicated  funds.  Some                                                               
concern  exists that  as  people switch  to  more fuel  efficient                                                               
vehicles, but  their efficiencies could  erode tax revenue.   The                                                               
motor fuel  taxes have been stable  and do not tend  to vary much                                                               
over time,  although as fuel  costs increase and  vehicles become                                                               
more efficient, some reductions could  happen.  This might affect                                                               
how  much  bonding  the  state   could  receive.    Additionally,                                                               
dedicated funds would require a constitutional amendment.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY reviewed bonding options  [slide 12].  He highlighted                                                               
several  options for  bonding, including  issuing revenue  bonds,                                                               
backed  by motor  fuel taxes  or another  source.   Revenue bonds                                                               
must  have a  clearly  identified, measurable,  proven source  of                                                               
funding,  or  the state  will  not  be  able to  secure  funding.                                                               
General  obligation  bonds  do not  require  a  specific  revenue                                                               
source for  repayment, since it is  simply a pledge by  the state                                                               
to pay  off the bonds  from the  state's general fund.   However,                                                               
general obligation  bonds require a  public vote, and there  is a                                                               
limit to the level of state  debt.  General obligation bonds also                                                               
commit future state revenues and  consume state bonding capacity.                                                               
The limit is  not in law, but  is a sense of how  far an investor                                                               
is willing to go before raising interest rates.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:04:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  turned to state  debt capacity  [slide 13].   At the                                                               
$65 -  $70 oil price  per barrel  balances the state  budget, the                                                               
state could probably float a bond  for $500 million, and the Wall                                                               
Street  Market would  not penalize  the state  with a  downgraded                                                               
bond  rating.   It is  possible  to increase  such a  bond by  an                                                               
additional $1.5  billion over  next several  years.   The general                                                               
rule is that the state should keep  its debt service within 5 - 8                                                               
percent of the  unrestricted general fund revenues.   That is not                                                               
just  debt service  on  bonds  but rather  the  state's share  of                                                               
municipal school debt, the of  municipal school debt, paying debt                                                               
on   the   new    Matanuska-Susitna   prison,   certificates   of                                                               
participation,  the  Atwood  Building,  or  the  Anchorage  debt.                                                               
Further,  he  remarked  that  a  lot of  debt  is  not  generally                                                               
considered because it is not  part of the general obligation (GO)                                                               
bonds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  continued his review  of state debt  capacity [slide                                                               
14].   He explained that  the Department of Revenue's  spring oil                                                               
forecast for FY 2010 was at $58  a barrel.  About five percent to                                                               
eight  percent of  the unrestricted  general fund  revenue equals                                                               
$160 million to $256 million.   He remarked that the state's debt                                                               
service in FY 2010 was a  little more than $200 million, which is                                                               
within the  five to eight  percent range.   At those  oil prices,                                                               
and not  fully covering the budget,  the state does not  have the                                                               
ability to borrow  money since Wall Street is  no longer offering                                                               
sub-prime loans to states.   However, with oil tax progressivity,                                                               
at $65 oil, five percent to  eight percent equals $300 million to                                                               
$400  million, which  allows the  state room  to issue  GO bonds.                                                               
There is  some risk  in relying  on future  unrestricted revenues                                                               
because it is  a bet on oil  prices and with a GO  bond the state                                                               
promises  to pay  it,  which  is not  a  subject for  legislative                                                               
debate.   The DOR  is now  saying in FY  2010, the  average daily                                                               
TAPS production will  be down to 642,000 barrels of  oil per day,                                                               
which is a little lower than anticipated.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:06:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  explained unrestricted  general fund  dollars [slide                                                               
15].   The unrestricted  general fund dollars  at $58  per barrel                                                               
projects an anticipated  $3.2 billion in revenue.   However, once                                                               
the state begins to subtract  its formula programs such as school                                                               
funding,  pupil  transportation,   Medicaid,  public  assistance,                                                               
Municipal Revenue Sharing,  special appropriations to retirement,                                                               
and Power Cost Equalization, Debt  service, not much unrestricted                                                               
general fund dollars remains.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  discussed what is good  about bonds [slide 16].   He                                                               
explained  that  revenue  bonds  would  not  directly  limit  the                                                               
state's  future general  obligation  bonding  capacity.   Revenue                                                               
bonds stand  alone and  do not draw  directly from  general fund,                                                               
although revenue  bonds could divert  funds that  would otherwise                                                               
go  into  the general  fund.    Thus, unrestricted  general  fund                                                               
revenues  might  drop, for  example,  if  motor fuel  taxes  were                                                               
removed  from the  equation.   General  obligation  bonds do  not                                                               
require new  taxes or increased taxes.   The state could  raise a                                                               
substantial  amount  of  funds with  a  general  obligation  bond                                                               
issue.   Again, GO or  revenue bonds probably would  divert money                                                               
that would be available for appropriation each year.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  reviewed problems  with bonds  [slide 17].   Revenue                                                               
bonds  based on  the  public's acceptance  of  higher motor  fuel                                                               
taxes is  a problem.   There is a  cost to borrowing  money which                                                               
has been  a philosophical  battle in  the legislature  for years;                                                               
the issue  is whether to  pay cash or  pay the fees  and interest                                                               
rate to have  access to funds immediately, which  also depends on                                                               
the needs  and the finances.   Debt service commits  future state                                                               
revenues and  if the state uses  too much of the  state's general                                                               
obligation debt  capacity it could  deny opportunities  for other                                                               
needs in the years ahead.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  highlighted GARVEE  bonds [slide  18].   He remarked                                                               
that  these bonds  were popular  several  years ago.   The  state                                                               
would    borrow    against    future    federal    transportation                                                               
appropriations.   In 2002, the  state issued $103  million GARVEE                                                               
bonds, but because  the state does not allow  dedicated funds the                                                               
effect was not  a true GARVEE bond.   Instead, the bond  was a GO                                                               
bond that had to be approved  by voters, with the intent of using                                                               
federal funds to  repay the bonds.  Since GO  bonds count against                                                               
the state's  debt capacity the  state obtained  limited benefits.                                                               
Additionally,   he   noted   that   borrowing   against   federal                                                               
appropriations  means  there will  be  less  to spend  in  future                                                               
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:09:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  asked what  other states are  doing with  regard to                                                               
GARVEE bonds.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY recalled  about a  dozen GARVEE  bond issues  in the                                                               
last ten or  so years, and although states are  still using them,                                                               
they have fallen out of favor.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  outlined toll road  options [slide 19].   He offered                                                               
that  toll  roads are  good  because  users  pay the  costs,  and                                                               
general fund monies are not used.   However, the negative to toll                                                               
roads is whether  Alaskans are willing to pay for  a toll for its                                                               
highways.    Additionally,  Alaska  lacks  the  high  volumes  of                                                               
traffic needed for  a toll road.   In order for tolls  to work it                                                               
is necessary  to have ample  vehicles paying enough tolls  to pay                                                               
off  the debt.    The  Knik Arm  Toll  and  Bridge Authority  has                                                               
certainly been  working on  that issue as  part of  any financing                                                               
proposal.    He recalled  the  NCSL  previously discussed  public                                                               
private partnerships.   He  remarked that  the Indiana  Toll Road                                                               
was one  of the  first ones  to lease  out their  toll road  to a                                                               
consortium of  private operators,  who were  allowed to  keep the                                                               
tolls for  75 years.   Two years  later the tolls  increased from                                                               
$4.65 to  $8 so a  downside exists if the  state were to  lease a                                                               
toll  road  to private  operators.    However, in  2006,  Indiana                                                               
received $3.6 billion for leasing out its toll road.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY discussed several endowment  options [slide 20].  The                                                               
state could establish  an Alaska Transportation Fund  by taking a                                                               
one-time  lump  sum  from  the   Alaska  Permanent  Fund  or  the                                                               
Constitutional  Budget  Reserve Fund.    For  example, the  state                                                               
could  establish  a  $2 billion  dedicated  transportation  fund,                                                               
which would take a constitutional  amendment to create, and could                                                               
use  the earnings  from the  fund to  pay for  its transportation                                                               
projects, or to  underwrite revenue bonds.  The  state would also                                                               
likely need  to pledge  the fund itself  to backstop  earnings on                                                               
revenue bonds in  the event that investment earnings  are low due                                                               
to a  downturn in the stock  market.  He remarked  that currently                                                               
the CBRF has $8 billion.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY discussed  the pros and cons of  the endowment option                                                               
[slide 21].   The  pros for  an endowment are  that it  would not                                                               
create new taxes  and substantial funds could  be made available.                                                               
The downside to an endowment approach  is that it would require a                                                               
constitutional amendment  to create  a dedicated fund.   Further,                                                               
any  withdrawal from  the Alaska  Permanent Fund  principal would                                                               
also require a constitutional amendment,  and would reduce future                                                               
dividends since  the earnings would  grow at  a slower rate.   He                                                               
speculated  that if  the state  withdrew $2  billion from  the $8                                                               
billion  currently in  the CBR,  the  state would  still have  $6                                                               
billion, and  the state  would still be  in "pretty  good shape."                                                               
However, in  the 1990s the  state only  needed oil prices  in the                                                               
$20 per barrel  range to balance the budget, but  now needs it in                                                               
the $60 dollar  range.  Thus, if oil prices  collapsed, the state                                                               
could  have a  $2 billion  deficit  and drain  the CBR  in a  few                                                               
years.  He  remarked that the legislature would  need to consider                                                               
a backstop plan.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY, in  response to  Representative Johansen,  recalled                                                               
that the state drew almost $5.5  billion from the CBR in the 90s.                                                               
He recalled  11 deficit  years out  of 14  years, with  the worst                                                               
deficit in  any given year  at $1 billion.   He recalled  that at                                                               
one point  the CBR  balance was down  to $2.5  billion, following                                                               
two  huge  deficit   years.    Certainly  with   the  changes  in                                                               
production  taxes,  the  state  receives  substantially  more  in                                                               
revenue, but  with declining  production the  state needs  a much                                                               
higher oil price in order to balance the budget.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:14:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY,  in response to Representative  Gruenberg, stated he                                                               
was not covering the cruise ship head tax in this presentation.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG expressed  interest  in  the amount  of                                                               
revenue  generated by  the tax  and any  effect of  repealing the                                                               
tax.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  offered his  belief that  repealing the  cruise ship                                                               
head tax  would not have much  of an effect because  of the small                                                               
amount of  revenue generated by the  tax.  If the  state wins the                                                               
current lawsuit and is able to  keep the $46 tax intact, only $46                                                               
million  is  collected  from 1  million  passengers,  noting  the                                                               
decline  in the  cruise  industry in  Alaska.   The  crux of  the                                                               
state's claim is  that the funds are to be  spent on projects and                                                               
services to  directly benefit  cruise ship  passengers, so  it is                                                               
useful for street expansions in  Ketchikan, Sitka, or Juneau with                                                               
a  transportation  connection.   However,  revenue  from the  tax                                                               
would apply more  to docks, harbors, moorages,  and services than                                                               
to  transportation needs.   The  state would  notice the  revenue                                                               
loss in the event  that the state loses the head  tax as a source                                                               
of revenue  and cruise ship related  transportation projects need                                                               
to be  funded from the general  fund since the state  already has                                                               
significant issues meeting its overall transportation needs.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:16:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  discussed other  options for  funding transportation                                                               
needs,  including using  oil royalties  or  the Alaska  Permanent                                                               
Fund  [slide  22].   As  previously  mentioned, the  state  could                                                               
propose a  constitutional amendment to dedicate  a transportation                                                               
fund  and could  use a  portion  of oil  and gas  royalties as  a                                                               
revenue  stream for  the fund.   In  1966, the  state approved  a                                                               
constitutional amendment that requires  25 percent of the state's                                                               
royalties must  be deposited in  the Alaska Permanent  Fund, with                                                               
the  remaining 75  percent deposited  to the  general fund.   The                                                               
legislature  could also  propose  a  constitutional amendment  to                                                               
dedicate  a portion  of  the Alaska  Permanent  Fund earnings  to                                                               
transportation  needs.   He  illustrated  this,  noting that  2.5                                                               
percent of royalties  would equal $55 million if  oil prices were                                                               
at $65  per barrel.  The  state would not be  directly taking the                                                               
funds from  another program  and would not  need to  raise taxes,                                                               
but this approach  would reduce the unrestricted  general fund by                                                               
that  amount annually.   Instead  of creating  an endowment,  the                                                               
legislature and the  public could also adopt a  Percent of Market                                                               
Value   Approach   (POMV)   to  limit   Alaska   Permanent   Fund                                                               
withdrawals.     He   stated  that   0.5  percent   dedicated  to                                                               
transportation needs  would equal $80  million a year  in today's                                                               
market  value.    He  recapped  that  these  are  some  ways  the                                                               
legislature could approach funding options.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  discussed the pros  and cons of using  royalties and                                                               
the  Alaska Permanent  Fund [slide  23].   He restated  that this                                                               
approach would  not require  new taxes, but  an additional  $55 -                                                               
$85 million per  year would be a substantial amount  of money for                                                               
transportation needs.   However,  the downside  is that  it would                                                               
divert oil and gas royalties  from the general fund, could create                                                               
revenue shortfalls when  oil prices are low, and  would require a                                                               
constitutional   amendment   to    create   a   dedicated   fund.                                                               
Additionally,  using the  Alaska  Permanent  Fund earnings  could                                                               
result in  lower future dividends,  and the legislature  would be                                                               
involved  in the  public  policy  debate of  whether  to use  the                                                               
Alaska Permanent Fund earnings for this purpose.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY  reviewed the  option  of  selling future  royalties                                                               
[slide 24].   He said,  "If you really  want to get  creative you                                                               
could do  what gold miners  do; they  often finance a  project by                                                               
selling future  production before  they they've  taken it  out of                                                               
the ground."   The state could raise money by  selling off future                                                               
royalty oil production in actual  barrels of oil, for example, if                                                               
the  state produces  75,000 barrels  of  oil per  day, the  state                                                               
could  sell  10,000 barrels  per  day  for  a certain  amount  of                                                               
revenue over  a designated period  of years.  The  investor would                                                               
take  the price  risk  on future  deliveries,  which means  state                                                               
would have to sell oil at  a discount to compensate investors for                                                               
risk.   This  approach would  divert future  state revenues  away                                                               
from  the  general fund  and  the  annual appropriation  process.                                                               
However, it would probably cost less  to raise the same amount of                                                               
money by issuing general obligation or revenue bonds.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY, in response to  Representative Gruenberg, offered to                                                               
research selling  revenues from potential litigation,  similar to                                                               
the method used  with the tobacco class action  lawsuits, as well                                                               
as  to  obtain more  information  for  the committee  on  selling                                                               
future oil revenues.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  clarified that  the state did  not sell                                                               
off future litigation,  but created an income stream  in order to                                                               
capitalize the fund.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY agreed,  noting the  state  was aware  of the  exact                                                               
amount of the revenue stream.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:21:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY  discussed  Build  America Bonds  [slide  25].    He                                                               
explained that the  Build America Bonds is a program  in the ARRA                                                               
to reduce  the cost  of borrowing  to states  and municipalities.                                                               
Normally a state or municipality would  issue tax free bonds at a                                                               
lower interest rate  to investors that do not want  to pay income                                                               
tax  on  their  earnings.    In order  to  make  the  bonds  more                                                               
attractive  to pension  funds, which  do  not pay  income tax  on                                                               
their   investment  earnings,   the  federal   government  allows                                                               
municipalities or  states to issue debt  at higher taxable-bonds.                                                               
According  to  the DOR,  the  federal  subsidy would  reduce  the                                                               
actual cost  by about a third  of the interest to  below interest                                                               
on tax-free bond debt  - or about 25 to 100  basis points.  There                                                               
is no dollar limit to this federal program.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY discussed  the pros  and cons  of the  Build America                                                               
Bonds [slide 26].   The drawback is the tight  deadline since the                                                               
state has until December 31,  2010 to participate in the program.                                                               
Additionally,  the legislature  would  need  to pass  legislation                                                               
since the  bond proposal would  need to  be on the  November 2010                                                               
ballot  for  approval.   The  legislature  could also  amend  the                                                               
statute to  eliminate the requirement for  competitive bond sales                                                               
in  order  to  accelerate  the   process  and  meet  the  federal                                                               
deadline.   He recalled informal  discussions that  this approach                                                               
seems plausible and the state could  also save some interest.  In                                                               
the event  the legislature  decided to issue  GO bonds  next year                                                               
for transportation  needs, it would hold  preliminary discussions                                                               
with  the DOR  to project  savings.   He  stated that  a GO  bond                                                               
requires  a geographic  split in  order  to gain  support in  the                                                               
legislature  and noted  the  Build America  Bonds  is a  one-time                                                               
option.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON surmised that the state  would still have to take on                                                               
debt.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY concurred,  but pointed  out  that if  the state  is                                                               
considering GO debt it might make  sense to discuss this with the                                                               
DOT&PF and DOR to determine  the state's potential savings and to                                                               
review the deadline for applicability.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  asked whether  the Build  America Bonds                                                               
could also be combined with the GARVEE Bonds.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  surmised that  it could be  done, but  cautioned the                                                               
true GARVEE  bond is  a dedicated federal  fund and  since Alaska                                                               
does not have any dedicated funds,  the process is really in name                                                               
only.    The  legislature  could ask  for  authorization  for  "x                                                               
million" in GO bonds, stating  the legislative intent, subject to                                                               
the annual appropriation, to use  future federal highway funds to                                                               
repay the debt.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:25:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  asked  what would  be  the  additional                                                               
benefit to do so.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  explained that the  state would benefit if  it makes                                                               
the decision  to use unrestricted  general fund revenue  and also                                                               
use future federal  transportation dollars.  In  other words, the                                                               
state would be saying it could  afford "x amount" in GO debt, but                                                               
it will also take "x dollars" from future federal highway funds.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG said he  was thinking of prioritization,                                                               
that the state would use Build  America bond, with the payback of                                                               
a priority GARVEE funds and the second priority for GO bonds.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PERSILY explained  that  the GO  bonds  would require  voter                                                               
approval.  He understood that the  intent would be to use federal                                                               
dollars but it would depend on the  size of the bond issue, so if                                                               
the  amount  was  $500  million, the  federal  dollars  would  be                                                               
insufficient  to cover  the state  debt  service.   In 2002,  the                                                               
state had  $103 million of  GARVEE bonds.  The  legislature would                                                               
consult  with the  DOT&PF  to  see how  much  federal funding  is                                                               
available  to   commit  to   debt  service.     In   response  to                                                               
Representative  Gruenberg,  he  suggested that  in  instances  in                                                               
which a  state has a  specific one-time project to  complete, the                                                               
GARVEE  Bonds   might  make  sense.     In  Alaska's   case,  the                                                               
anticipated transportation needs will  continue for many years so                                                               
borrowing against  future federal highway dollars,  which are not                                                               
even sufficient  to meet the  current state's needs  would simply                                                               
shortchange the state,  he stated.  If the  state's debt capacity                                                               
can afford $500 million, and  the legislature believes that would                                                               
make  a sufficient  dent in  backlog of  projects, it  might make                                                               
sense to limit it rather than to use future federal dollars.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  offered his belief the  voters might be                                                               
inclined  to support  proposed bonds  on  a ballot  if they  were                                                               
informed that the  GARVEE bonds would be paid for  by the federal                                                               
highway dollars.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  recalled in 2002,  as Deputy Commissioner,  he spoke                                                               
against GARVEE Bonds, but that he lost the argument.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  stated that one  factor to consider is  to remember                                                               
the ongoing level of federal highway funds is uncertain.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:29:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MUNOZ  recalled the $.08 motor  fuel tax generates                                                               
$30 million  in revenue.   She  asked for  the amount  of bonding                                                               
capacity  the state  could obtain  under the  Build America  Bond                                                               
Program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY  estimated that  for $30 million  in revenue,  if the                                                               
state was required  to pay $15 million, the  state could probably                                                               
get a couple hundred million dollars under the program.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MUNOZ asked  for  the current  allocation of  the                                                               
$.08 per gallon motor fuel tax.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY responded that the  state's motor fuel tax revenue is                                                               
deposited  into  the  general  fund,  although  some  communities                                                               
charge  sales  tax on  motor  fuel  tax,  and  the sales  tax  is                                                               
retained by the communities.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:31:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DOOGAN  said he  did not know  of any  instance in                                                               
which the  state can  magically make money  appear and  not incur                                                               
costs.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. PERSILY agreed.  Either  the state generates new dollars with                                                               
taxes or  must borrow  or divert  the oil  royalty stream  or the                                                               
Alaska Permanent Fund earnings, which  has the effect of shifting                                                               
existing money.   Even though  a constitutional amendment  of 2.5                                                               
percent of  royalties directed to transportation  would be great,                                                               
the day will  come when the state  will wish that it  had the 2.5                                                               
percent back, he said.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:32:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took at at-ease from 3:32 p.m. to 3:37 p.m.                                                                       
3:38:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PETER MILLS, Dye Management, Inc.,  began his presentation with a                                                               
quote "Misery does love company."   He related that he lives in a                                                               
country [Canada] that has a  48 percent personal income tax rate,                                                               
a 12  percent sales tax for  goods and services, a  $1 per gallon                                                               
motor  fuel tax  rate, an  outstanding transport-related  debt of                                                               
about 12 percent  of general revenues, and has  fully executed at                                                               
least seven  public-private projects  in the province  of British                                                               
Columbia, with a huge revenue gap.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  remarked that Alaskans  do not have a  state income                                                               
tax or a state sales tax.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:40:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MILLS offered the three  laws of project financing [slide 2].                                                               
First,  every project  needs  revenue and  debt  is not  revenue.                                                               
Second,  there  are   only  two  sources  of   revenue  prior  to                                                               
financing, and two  more after financing.  The  first two sources                                                               
are: you  or someone else,  and when  you add financing,  you add                                                               
two more revenue sources:  your  children or their children.  The                                                               
third law  of finance is  that debt is  expensive.  He  related a                                                               
scenario in  which a person  purchases a house for  $150,000, but                                                               
finances it with a mortgage, that  when the house is paid in full                                                               
the total cost of the  house is $300,000, including the principal                                                               
and interest.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. MILLS skipped over several  slides to discuss sources of cash                                                               
for highway  programs [slide 8].   The choices for  financing are                                                               
to  finance  in any  form,  and  to  pay-as-you-go.   Since  debt                                                               
financing or any type of  financing is expensive, over 90 percent                                                               
of the  highways built in the  U.S. are built on  a pay-as-you-go                                                               
basis.   The remaining 10 percent  is paid on a  financing basis.                                                               
Once the state  chooses to finance a highway  project, the choice                                                               
is  a choice  between debt  and equity.   The  only way  to bring                                                               
equity  to  a  project is  through  public-private  partnerships.                                                               
Several   forms   of   debt  are   available,   including   state                                                               
infrastructure  banks, and  municipal  or federal  bonds such  as                                                               
GARVEE bonds or Build America Bonds.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:43:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MILLS defined  the features  of  State Infrastructure  Banks                                                               
(SIBs) [slide 9].  An SIB is  a revolving fund, which is simply a                                                               
fund that repeatedly loans money.   As the fund runs out of money                                                               
to  lend,  and   more  borrowers  come  to  the   bank,  the  SIB                                                               
replenishes  the  funds  from  another source.    Thus,  the  SIB                                                               
continues to  loan out  funds and it  replenishes the  funds from                                                               
some other source.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:44:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MILLS,  in  response  to  Chair  Wilson,  explained  that  a                                                               
revolving fund  can be replenished  by the repayment of  loans or                                                               
from some other  source.  Typically, student  loans are revolving                                                               
funds, he said.   If students repay their loans  timely, the bank                                                               
is  replenished, but  if not,  the  tax base  must replenish  the                                                               
fund.    When  the  revolving   fund  becomes  a  bank,  two  new                                                               
conditions apply,  the bank is replenished  from loan repayments,                                                               
and the earned  income covers losses and other expenses.   An SIB                                                               
is  a   bank  owned  by  the   state  it  lends  money   for  the                                                               
infrastructure, but  the principal stays  in the bank and  is the                                                               
source of funds  that is repeatedly loaned out.   The fundamental                                                               
difference  between a  bond and  an infrastructure  bank is  that                                                               
with a bond the money is borrowed  and the money is repaid over a                                                               
period of  time.  In  an infrastructure bank,  which is run  in a                                                               
revolving door fashion,  the seed money is  not normally expected                                                               
to return and is loaned out repeatedly.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:47:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MILLS,  in  response  to Chair  Wilson,  related  that  when                                                               
students default  on student  loans in  a revolving  loan student                                                               
loan program,  the bank must  cover the costs,  including writing                                                               
off its  losses.   However, the  interest received  on successful                                                               
loans is used to replenish the loan that is written off.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MILLS explained  that the  income earned  covers losses  and                                                               
other  expenses.    There  are  two  conditions  that  drive  the                                                               
behavior of a  revolving fund as a bank.   Banks tend be low-risk                                                               
lenders  and leave  high risk  to  other agents  such as  venture                                                               
capitalists, mutual funds, and equity  investors.  When banks get                                                               
involved in  risky projects, they tend  to do so as  partners, he                                                               
stated.  They tend to partner  with other lenders of capital that                                                               
are more apt to take the risk.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. MILLS  explained the SIBs in  the U.S. [slide 10].   He said,                                                               
"Hence   you  see   in  the   U.S.,  many   infrastructure  banks                                                               
participating  as  one of  several  parties  to funding  a  major                                                               
transportation project and they will be  in one of the less risky                                                               
positions on the project than some of the others."                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:50:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MILLS, in  response  to  Chair Wilson,  offered  to give  an                                                               
example of how  an infrastructure bank operates on  a $50 million                                                               
state  project.     He   described  a   scenario,  in   which  an                                                               
infrastructure bank  is set up  by the state,  and is run  by one                                                               
person, who is the bank officer.   The DOT&PF would apply for $50                                                               
million to  fund its project.   The bank  would loan out  the $50                                                               
million and  would seek information  on repayment  plus interest.                                                               
Thus, the  bank would  seek information on  how the  project will                                                               
generate $100 million to repay the bank plus pay interest.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. MILLS offered  that typically the types of  projects using an                                                               
infrastructure bank  are projects  expected to provide  some hard                                                               
financial return to  the general fund.  For example,  if a bridge                                                               
is built to reduce maintenance  costs over time, the DOT&PF would                                                               
repay  the loan  from  money that  was  budgeted for  maintenance                                                               
costs,  or the  bridge  would  charge users  a  toll to  generate                                                               
income for  repayment.   Since the  SIB is not  trying to  make a                                                               
profit,  it  can  offer  a cost-based  interest  rate  and  would                                                               
participate  in funding  the project.    The test  for any  given                                                               
project  is that  the bank  officer will  identify the  repayment                                                               
plus interest before it will make the loan.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON remarked  that in some instances in  Alaska only one                                                               
route  exists  but  in  a  city the  people  can  often  find  an                                                               
alternate route in order to avoid a toll.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:54:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHANSEN described  a scenario  in which  a ferry                                                               
charged a toll for each person.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. MILLS said  Representative Johansen's example is  a good one.                                                               
The banker would calculate the  fare and anticipated ridership of                                                               
the ferry  to arrive at its  total revenue, and would  deduct the                                                               
ferry's operating  expenses to arrive  at the profit.   Thus, the                                                               
banker would  determine whether the  ferry could repay  the loan.                                                               
He  recalled the  federal street  sweeping  and storm  management                                                               
requirements  discussed earlier.   If  the MOA  could reduce  its                                                               
sweeping costs by replacing the  storm catchment drains with more                                                               
efficient drains,  the MOA  would approach the  bank to  fund the                                                               
replacement costs for the new  technology.  The MOA would propose                                                               
to repay the loan over the next 30 years from its cost savings.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:56:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MILLS,  in response to  Representative Johansen,  agreed that                                                               
if  a prospective  borrower could  provide a  30-year history  to                                                               
demonstrate  sufficient   income  after   expenses  to   repay  a                                                               
prospective loan,  including interest,  that any banker  would be                                                               
interested in the  proposition, but in the event  that the entity                                                               
had a  history of  debt, any  banker would  not be  interested in                                                               
financing any project.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:57:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MILLS  continued with his presentation,  explaining there are                                                               
federal  and   state  infrastructure  banks  [slide   10].    The                                                               
advantage  of  a  federal  infrastructure  bank  is  that  it  is                                                               
federally funded.  However, the  only projects that can be funded                                                               
from the initial  capital are ones eligible  for federal funding.                                                               
Any subsequent round of lending can  be used to fund any projects                                                               
selected by the state, but  the initial funding is restricted for                                                               
federally eligible projects.  Thus,  many states have declined to                                                               
use federal infrastructure banks since  they must use the initial                                                               
capital for  the projects subject  to the more  stringent federal                                                               
guidelines.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:00:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MILLS, in  response to Chair Wilson, pointed  out that Kansas                                                               
and  Georgia have  state-only  capitalized infrastructure  banks.                                                               
Florida and Ohio  run parallel banks and use the  federal bank as                                                               
part of  the toll systems,  but run parallel banks  for municipal                                                               
and  local projects.   In  further response  to Chair  Wilson, he                                                               
explained that Missouri  is the only state to  actively execute a                                                               
bank for  economic development  roads and to  use state  funds to                                                               
encourage  counties  and  municipal  governments  to  build  more                                                               
projects.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:02:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MILLS  described the  three  ways  infrastructure banks  are                                                               
initially capitalized  [slide 11].   First, the  government would                                                               
put in the cash as equity or  would issue a GO bond, and deposits                                                               
the proceeds  to the bank.   The second method uses  leverage, in                                                               
which the  government puts  in 25 percent  of money  required and                                                               
instructs the bank to  issue its own bond, but not  a GO bond, to                                                               
fund the  additional 75 percent of  the fund.  The  equity dollar                                                               
goes farther, but the bank must  earn a sufficient return and not                                                               
default on  its loans  so the  banks must  be more  commercial in                                                               
nature, he said.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:03:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  asked if  it is  possible to  use Build                                                               
America Bonds to capitalize the SIBs.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. MILLS answered yes.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  asked whether that would  get the state                                                               
"off the hook" since the  federal government would be required to                                                               
pay the interest.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. MILLS  answered that the  state is  not "off the  hook" since                                                               
the Build  America Bonds would  be issued  by the state,  but are                                                               
not issued  as tax-exempt  municipal bonds.   Instead,  the bonds                                                               
would be taxable  bonds and the federal government  would pay the                                                               
state a  subsidy of 32  percent.   However, these would  still be                                                               
state bond  and the  state must  still offer  up some  revenue as                                                               
obligations against the bonds.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. MILLS related  that the third method  to initially capitalize                                                               
an  infrastructure  bank  is  often  used  by  the  international                                                               
developing community, in which several  nations will form a bank,                                                               
deposit some capital,  and promise the rest on call.   He related                                                               
a scenario  in which a  bank would  initially fund the  bank with                                                               
$10 million and would require the  bank to issue its own bond for                                                               
$40  million,  but  would  give  a letter  of  guaranty  or  loan                                                               
guarantee,  but would  be on  call, so  if bank  ends up  "in the                                                               
soup" the nations or collective  governments would pay the equity                                                               
required.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:06:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MILLS clarified that in  his example, the infrastructure bank                                                               
is  the   borrower  as  the   government  puts  money   into  the                                                               
infrastructure bank.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  related that if  the SOA sets up  an infrastructure                                                               
bank and the state DOT&PF borrows  money for a project and cannot                                                               
repay it, the state would still be liable.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MILLS  agreed.    He  emphasized he  is  outlining  ways  to                                                               
structure  financing including  that  the state  could choose  to                                                               
take on  more risk and stretch  its dollars, or it  could take on                                                               
less risk and keep its dollars closer - leveraging versus risk.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:08:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MILLS, in response to  Representative Doogan, answered that a                                                               
regular  bank tends  to  place  a different  price  on risk  than                                                               
governments  place on  risk.   He recalled  Mr. Beedle's  concern                                                               
with  forward funding  the AMHS  since the  risk exists  that the                                                               
appropriation  might not  be  made.   Similarly,  a banker  would                                                               
review any  proposed project  to decide whether  it is  high risk                                                               
and if  so, would  demand a  high rate of  return.   However, the                                                               
infrastructure  bank, as  the government-owned  bank  will put  a                                                               
different price on the risk,  realizing that while the AMHS funds                                                               
are subject  to appropriation,  the AMHS  will not  be dissolved,                                                               
that the  appropriation will be  made, and  so the SIB  will lend                                                               
them the  money.   Another reason to  use an  infrastructure bank                                                               
rather than to issue a  municipal bond is that the infrastructure                                                               
bank  can  lend something  other  than  cash.   He  recalled  the                                                               
scenario  for  building  a  ferry in  Southeast  Alaska  for  $10                                                               
million.   In that instance,  the infrastructure bank  could give                                                               
the AMHS a loan guarantee  to stretch the AMHS's capital farther.                                                               
It would loan the AMHS $5  million in cash and another $5 million                                                               
in the form of  a loan guarantee.  Thus, the  SIB has the ability                                                               
to stretch its  funds by giving assurances that are  not cash, he                                                               
said.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:11:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DOOGAN inquired  about the  track record  for the                                                               
SIBs.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. MILLS answered that typically,  the SIB record has been good.                                                               
He  suggested that  the "jury  is still  out" on  South Carolina,                                                               
which  funded its  entire transportation  program through  an SIB                                                               
for  several billion  dollars.   He related  that South  Caroline                                                               
funded 27  years of programs in  7 years by using  27 years worth                                                               
of revenue.   The  question remains,  given the  tourism industry                                                               
collapse,  whether South  Carolina will  be able  to service  the                                                               
loan.   He stated  that generally  the record  for SIBs  has been                                                               
good, recalling Texas has used  the SIBs extensively at the local                                                               
government  level  to  lend  support   to  the  counties  without                                                               
assuming full responsibility for its roads.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. MILLS,  in response  to Chair Wilson,  agreed the  state used                                                               
something  similar  to  fund  the  Whittier  Tunnel,  that  using                                                               
revolving loan  funds is  not a new  financing method  in Alaska.                                                               
He  recalled that  the state  has about  eight or  nine revolving                                                               
funds,   which    are   typically   used    in   quasi-commercial                                                               
applications.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MILLS referred  to  "SIBs, Build  America  Bonds, and  State                                                               
Bonds in Relation to Other Debt Instruments [slide 18]."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:14:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  asked Mr. Mills  to focus on  the State                                                               
Infrastructure  Banks on  slide 18  and  to the  arrow that  also                                                               
points to  traditional projects.   He posed a scenario,  in which                                                               
the state  is not  building an  income-producing project  such as                                                               
the  Whittier  Tunnel, but  wants  to  widen  a street  near  the                                                               
tunnel.   He said he  did not see an  advantage to using  the SIB                                                               
over GO bonds since income in not generated by the project.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.MILLS answered  that in the  event a street near  the Whittier                                                               
Tunnel was  widened, the state  could make the argument  to local                                                               
business  owners  the  advantages  of  having  improved  traffic,                                                               
improved business revenues, and  likely increased property taxes,                                                               
so the  city should  give the  SIB some  portion of  the property                                                               
taxes to pay for  the project.  This is an example  of how to use                                                               
an  SIB to  fund a  project  that does  not have  its own  direct                                                               
income stream.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  related an  example in which  the state                                                               
owns the project but property tax is not being paid.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MILLS responded  that an  argument  could be  made with  the                                                               
increased vehicle  volume of  5,000 vehicles  per day,  the state                                                               
would  obtain $200  per day  in increased  motor fuel  taxes, and                                                               
since the state  DOT&PF would not need to build  the project, the                                                               
department should  contribute to  the project.   He  agreed these                                                               
provide thin arguments.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  said  any additional  motor  fuel  tax                                                               
collected would  be deposited to  the general  fund.  He  did not                                                               
think that the arguments would have "traction" in Alaska.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. MILLS offered  another example.  He described  an instance in                                                               
which the City  of Charleston refused to pay  for bridge repairs.                                                               
The surrounding counties  added a 5 percent hotel  tax to provide                                                               
the revenue stream for the bridge.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GRUENBERG  said   he  thought   that  using   an                                                               
infrastructure  bank, in  which  the federal  government paid  35                                                               
percent of the  interest, could be a useful to  provide a revenue                                                               
stream for local governments to build projects.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MILLS related  that this  method  has been  useful to  other                                                               
states, including Texas, to obtain  funds to local municipalities                                                               
for projects with an expectation for repayment.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  offered her belief  that a limited number  of towns                                                               
in Alaska would be able to take advantage of this.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG agreed,  but  related the  distribution                                                               
could be set  up as similar to school funding  for rural areas of                                                               
the state.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:21:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MILLS, in  response  to Representative  Munoz, related  that                                                               
municipalities have the statutory ability  to borrow cash and can                                                               
issue  municipal  bonds.    He  agreed that  there  would  be  an                                                               
advantage  for  a  SIB  to   coalesce  a  lot  of  the  borrowing                                                               
requirements,  in order  to bring  some of  the states  borrowing                                                               
ability to it  to and to reduce  some of the risks.   He reminded                                                               
members that  a SIB can issue  non-cash forms of credit,  while a                                                               
municipality   cannot.     "While  it   sounds  esoteric,   never                                                               
underestimate the power of a  good letter of guarantee," he said.                                                               
He  illustrated that  a  municipality might  have  a project  for                                                               
$100,000, and could secure $50,000,  and obtain a $50,000 loan in                                                               
which the bank  agrees to $25,000, with a letter  of guarantee to                                                               
take to another lender, or a  developer for the remainder.  Thus,                                                               
the  SIB  can issue  guarantees  and  forms  of credit  to  avoid                                                               
lending out the entire $50,000 in cash.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  related that the state  would likely be                                                               
able to obtain more credit than a small community.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  stated that  communities also  have the  ability to                                                               
use the  Build America  Bonds, and many  other entities  could be                                                               
eligible for bonds.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. MILLS  agreed.  He  stated these  communities would do  so at                                                               
their  own risk  and at  their own  credit rating.   The  state's                                                               
credit rating is  very good, he said.  He  recalled that Missouri                                                               
attempted  to use  the state's  borrowing ability  to assist  its                                                               
municipalities.  The  other key to using an SIB  is that the bank                                                               
can  also  work  in  partnership   with  another  bank,  and  the                                                               
packaging is when infrastructure banks make sense.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:25:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DOOGAN  stated that these options  do not actually                                                               
solve the problem that the  committee is trying to address, which                                                               
is to  keep the transportation infrastructure  from deteriorating                                                               
and to build new projects in Alaska.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. MILLS said [Alaska] is a  "little different."  He agreed that                                                               
the current national debate does not seem to apply to Alaska.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:28:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DOOGAN related  that the state has yet  to find an                                                               
example of a  successful development bank.  He  observed that the                                                               
money is  loaned out  but does  not revolve  back in  because the                                                               
revolving loan becomes  the lender of last resort.   He asked for                                                               
ways to prevent SIBs from becoming the lender of last resort.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. MILLS  answered that the state  has to structure the  bank so                                                               
the government is  not the one "trying to pick  the winners."  He                                                               
related it  is ultimately  left to the  owner government  to hire                                                               
experts to "pick the winners."                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:29:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WILSON asked  whether provinces  in  Canada have  anything                                                               
similar to the infrastructure banks.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. MILLS  answered yes.   However, he  related that  Canada does                                                               
not have dedicated  funds, but also does not have  the problem of                                                               
issuing bonds.   "We just have the Crown, and  the Crown collects                                                               
the revenue  into a  general fund and  borrows money  whenever it                                                               
wants, for whatever purpose it wants,"  he said.  He related that                                                               
Canada  has a  constitutional monarchy  form of  government.   In                                                               
Canada, much  is done  with tax  credits to  venture capitalists,                                                               
which is a form of a development bank and has had mixed reviews.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:31:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG stated  that  some municipalities  have                                                               
the ability  to repay  the SIB.   He suggested  that a  SIB might                                                               
have difficulty in avoiding political pressures.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. MILLS  agreed.  The first  golden rule of banking  is, "never                                                               
lend money  to anyone who really  needs it," he said.   He agreed                                                               
that  separating  out the  high  risk  loans from  the  political                                                               
process is the governance question.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. MILLS, in response to  Chair Wilson, speculated that the loan                                                               
portfolio of  a commercial  fishery bank would  look just  like a                                                               
venture  capital firm  and the  good and  bad loans  would likely                                                               
average out and  the bank would survive.   An infrastructure bank                                                               
attempts  to keep  the costs  low and  tries to  partner whenever                                                               
possible.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:34:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DOOGAN hazarded a guess  that it does not hurt the                                                               
process if  the state has  the resources to guarantee  any loans.                                                               
He said he  would like to see actual examples  in the state since                                                               
the success really depends on the  specifics.  He was not certain                                                               
that  a  sufficient  number of  potential  Alaska  transportation                                                               
projects could be profitable enough to make this work.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON said part of the  problem seems to be that Alaska is                                                               
still a young  state.  Most states the  federal government helped                                                               
create the infrastructure.   Alaska is receiving a  lot less from                                                               
the  federal  government,  yet the  state  still  has  tremendous                                                               
transportation needs.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. MILLS characterized Alaska as  finally getting to the head of                                                               
the breadline only to find there is no bread left.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:37:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  asked the committee  to consider  various scenarios                                                               
to  fund  transportation projects  in  Alaska.   She  stated  her                                                               
desire  to have  a bill  ready by  the start  of the  legislative                                                               
session.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  VON SCHEBEN  offered  that he  takes the  committee                                                               
member questions and comments very seriously.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:41:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. OTTESEN related that approximately  5 billion miles of travel                                                               
occurs  on  the  state  road  system each  year.    The  American                                                               
Automobile Association's  estimate from  several years  ago lists                                                               
$.50 per mile  in costs to operate an automobile,  and $.75 for a                                                               
pickup truck or  sport utility vehicle (SUV).   The public spends                                                               
about  $3 billion  per year  to use  Alaska's roads.   The  state                                                               
collects $30  million in gas  tax, which  is a small  fraction of                                                               
the cost.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MUNOZ supported the  idea for specific suggestions                                                               
on financing  a program that  would pay  for some of  the state's                                                               
needs.   Some good  ideas were brought  up today  include revenue                                                               
bonds, general obligation bonds, and perhaps an endowment.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG said  he  would like  the committee  to                                                               
draft  a bill  that would  take  advantage of  the one-time  only                                                               
"Build  America."   He was  unsure of  how much  money the  state                                                               
might receive, but extra funds would help.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COMMISISONER  VON SCHEBEN  concluded by  stating the  outlook for                                                               
the state's  future is still  positive and the DOT&PF  just needs                                                               
to get through this dip in federal funding.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:46:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHANSEN asked  Commissioner von  Scheben to  let                                                               
him know  whether the  department will be  applying for  any ARRA                                                               
grants.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:47:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Transportation Standing  Committee meeting was adjourned  at 4:47                                                               
p.m.                                                                                                                            

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Need and challenges AMHS 2009.10.01.pdf HTRA 10/1/2009 9:30:00 AM
NCSL presentation to Alaska 10-1-09.pptx HTRA 10/1/2009 9:30:00 AM
State Infrastructure Bank. Report.pdf HTRA 10/1/2009 9:30:00 AM
TRAN Agenda Sep 29-Oct 1.docx HTRA 10/1/2009 9:30:00 AM
STIP 2009.10.01.pdf HTRA 10/1/2009 9:30:00 AM
State Infrastructure Bank presentation.pdf HTRA 10/1/2009 9:30:00 AM
Needs and challenges Aviation 2009.10.01.pdf HTRA 10/1/2009 9:30:00 AM
Needs and Challenges surface transportation 2009.10.01 FINAL.pdf HTRA 10/1/2009 9:30:00 AM
Persily Options Power Point 10-1-09.pptx HTRA 10/1/2009 9:30:00 AM